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Post by dmether on Dec 23, 2011 11:13:28 GMT 8
The revolver being turned in doesn't look Japanese. Attachments:
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Post by dmether on Dec 23, 2011 11:36:15 GMT 8
Is the weapon being carried by the Japanese soldier in the center of the photo a BAR? Attachments:
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Post by okla on Dec 24, 2011 4:29:05 GMT 8
Hey Chad...Take a gander at the photo with the parked Japanese tank and of the second photo taken of the Navy Tunnels from a Bottomside vantage point. Check out the white, rectangular object shown just above the rear portion of the tank turret and the similar white gizmo appearing on the slope just below the second and third tunnel. Is this thing the same object and if so, we have ID'd these two pics? Postscript....I still am wondering if that staff car is under warranty. lol. ;D
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Post by okla on Dec 24, 2011 4:48:12 GMT 8
Hey dmether...That vehicle is almost certainly "tracked". I wonder if it might be some sort of construction equipment type vehicle. I don't see any earth moving/shovel/etc apparatus on it, but it definitely ain't an armored, combat something or other. Very strange, indeed. Also, methinks two or three of those motor vehicles look "American". I swear the automobile with it's rear end looking at the camera (with the trunk open) is a Ford product. If so, these Yank looking "wheels" were probably captured when the Japs took Manila or when Gen'l Kind went to confer with Homma. Lastly...I agree that the weapon hoisted by the Japanese trooper appears to be a BAR. I am wondering what these two warriors of the Emperor are doing carrying weapons. I am sure they are lacking rounds in the chamber, but "what gives". Is that a wounded buddy in a "jerry rigged" sling being carried to the POW area in the rear??? I, do so, love conjecturing about these old photos that appear on this forum. Thanks for posting these latest. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 5:23:44 GMT 8
Are the Japanese carrying the M1903 Springfield? I think they are Japanese Type 99 rifles, but the one to the left looks a little different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 5:25:48 GMT 8
The revolver being turned in doesn't look Japanese. It isn't, it looks like a colt or s&w .38. The nambu is blocking the view enough to make a positive i.d. hard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 5:27:23 GMT 8
Is the weapon being carried by the Japanese soldier in the center of the photo a BAR? I think you are right.
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Post by chadhill on Dec 24, 2011 7:20:50 GMT 8
Okla, you sharp-eyed dude, by spotting that "white, rectangular object" have you (a) hit the jackpot for us? Or (b) have I consumed too many adult holiday beverages? (not meaning to slight your observation at all, okla, but the more I look at these photos the more confused I get). This one almost strikes me as looking like a concrete structure or as a slab turned on its side near the road of POWs, but... ...when I look at this one... ...is it just roof damage to a building(s), or...? But the damage looks big. It's behind the buildings in the foreground. Isn't it? Well, anyways at first I rushed and grabbed the 1936 map, but since it doesn't show the Navy Tunnels (which hadn't been built yet) I went back to the Navy Tunnels thread and found this fots photo for situational awareness: Now, looking at the 1936 map again, above San Jose Point on the W-SW side of Malinta Hill there are several large buildings/structures in the area that could have suffered damage and caused us to see what we do in the photo(s). If it is the same piece in both photos, that ought to confirm where the tank is, I think. Adding to the confusion, if there is concrete involved here, there are even "CONCRETE BEAMS" shown on the 1936 map down near San Jose Point, just west of the road, but I'm guessing this may be a bit too far south for our purposes. Good eye, okla. You are on a hot streak...fots must be nodding in silent approval at our efforts (hee-hee). If we aren't seeing pink elephants, that is. P.S.- Good photos, dmether, please keep them coming. I'm stumped by that tracked vehicle (I looked completely through Hogg's book and also the Handbook on Japanese Military Forces with no joy on ID), but tend to concur with 1942's opinion on the firearms. Sure looks to be a BAR in the last photo as you said. But the bolts on the rifles in picture # 2 seem to have straight "handles", which strike me as Arisaka. Both rifle bolts are pulled aft to show an empty chamber. But the left rifle does have a funny looking front site and seems to have more wood on top at that end, too, like a Springfield (or Enfield)...batteryboy?
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Post by chadhill on Dec 24, 2011 17:11:16 GMT 8
I went back and reviewed some of the Navy Tunnels thread. There, I had posted a slightly "darker" copy of the same Malinta photo as fots, and some of the shadows seem to appear differently. Here is a cropped portion of that darker photo showing the "mysterious" area: It almost seems to me now that there is a completely separate structure behind the buildings in the foreground. I might go so far as to say there could be the corner of a building here, with the sun shining brightly on the left side of it. Referencing the 1936 map, as a SWAG I wonder what the area near the market and building 327 looked like and wish I had a photo of it. Building 327 on the legend is Torpedo Storehouse # 3. Before I go completely bonkers and become a section eight case, I better put this stuff away, grab some (spiked) eggnog and hit the sack. Goodnight, world ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2011 0:52:37 GMT 8
P.S.- Good photos, dmether, please keep them coming. I'm stumped by that tracked vehicle (I looked completely through Hogg's book and also the Handbook on Japanese Military Forces with no joy on ID), but tend to concur with 1942's opinion on the firearms. Sure looks to be a BAR in the last photo as you said. But the bolts on the rifles in picture # 2 seem to have straight "handles", which strike me as Arisaka. Both rifle bolts are pulled aft to show an empty chamber. But the left rifle does have a funny looking front site and seems to have more wood on top at that end, too, like a Springfield (or Enfield)...batteryboy? I thought the same too, that the one on the left might be a M1917 rifle, but the sling looks to attach to the side of the stock (like a Type99 rifle). Don't think it's a Springfield since the rear sight/handguard is very distinctive.
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