Before I post the photos, here are some corrections:
On the P-40s, we had both the B and the E models. - the 20th Pursuit Squadron was equipped with P-40B - the 3rd, 17th and 21st Pursuit Squadrons were equipped with P-40Es So the Total of 107 is a mix of B and E models (mostly E). There were even a few crated E-1s that were shipped to the P.I. during wartime.
On the B-17s, we had the C and the D models.
P-26As - There were 12 flying with the Phil Army Air Corps (with two spares) = 14 - There were a few more hack aircraft with each squadrons. so there were more than 16
P-35As - flew with the 34th Pursuit Squadron. The number 52 was the number shipped to the Philippines. Most ex-Swedish orders and arrived in the Philippines in Swedish instruments. There were several accidents and write-offs before the war started.
A-27s - there were 10. Orignally an order for the Siamese govt. but were requisitioned by the USAAC to equip the 27th Bombardment Group that were suppose to be armed with A-24s (Banshees), the US Army designation of the SBD Dauntless.
There were also the ff: O-46s a few O-52s, The Philippine Army Air Corp was with them PT-17 Stearams and PT-76Ds, (armed version of the Stearman)
A promised here a few for starters. (All taken in the Philippines)
B-17D at Iba Airfield. Contrary to the belief of some historian wannabees that it was only Clark and Del Monte airfields that can accomodate heavy bombers. This photo dispells the myth. At the background is an A-27.
Below is a whole body shot of the same aircraft with the Zambales coastline in the background.
Martin B10 at Nichols Field. The 4M on the tail denotes 4th Composite Group (Philippines). B is for heavy or bomber. P is seen on lighter and pursuit aircraft.
Another B-10 at Nichols.
P-26A Peashooter with the 3rd Pursuit Squadron at Nichols Field. By this time the photo was taken, a number of these birds were bieng transitioned to the Philippine Army Air Corps.
Here is another one flown by the 17th Pursuit Squadron when they were doing gunnery practice at Iba Airfield.
A-27s at Nichols Field. As mentioned earlier these were ex-Siamese orders (Thailand) and shipped to the Philippines. It's basically an armed T-6 Texan. Even the camo colors were painted for the Siamese govt.
P-35A (ex Swedish order) being uncrated at Nichols. Note the Swedish markings still in the fuselage.
P-35As of the 3rd Pursuit Squadron at Clark Field.
P-35A landing at a wet and soggy Iba Airfield.
P-40B being uncrated at Nielson's airfield which served as the Manila Air Depot.
A P-40B that just chewed up another tail of a P-40B at Nichols Field.
P-40Bs of the 3rd Pursuit at Clark just before hostilities.
B-18 Bolos enroute to Manila
B-18 at Clark
B-18 in a revetment at Clark
Douglas O-46s at Nichols Field
Another O-46s that went belly up at Nichols Field.
Last Edit: Jun 10, 2009 13:07:43 GMT 8 by batteryboy
No fighter plane can compete with the Japanese Zero head to head in a dog fight in 41-42. The Americans would rather used the boom and zoom tactic (which is to dive at high speed at a higher altitude, shoot up the zero and speedaway and regain height advantage). Reason being is that the early USAAC fighther planes cannot outmanouever in a dogfight but they can outdive the Zero. The Zero's contruction is made of light alloy airframe and it cannot withstand the high speeds in a dive whereas USAAC aircraft are more heavier and could not climb or outurn a Zero. It was only the arrival of the Corsair and the Hellcat in early 43 that started to sway the advantages towards the American pilots as they had aircraft that could equal or even out perform the Zero.
Now going back to the question on the P-40 at Clark, when the airfield was attacked on December 8th, most of the P-40Bs (of the 20th Pursuit Squadron) were caught on the ground) except for three (3) aircraft that were able to take off as soon as the bombs started falling. These were Maj. Joe Moore (C.O.), Lt Randy Keator and Lt. Ed Gilmore. The other pilots who tried to take off were either killed or ditched their aircraft on the last minute as the bombs hit the runway. Of the three pilot who got airborne, Lt. Randy Keator was credited of shooting down the first Japanese aircraft ( a Zero) in the Philippines. Other pilots on other squadron that tangled with Zeros were shocked and narrowly escaped being shot down as they were outmanouvered in a dog fight. They attributed their escape to the ability of the P-40 to take punishment and outdiving their opponents.
The next question is a controversial one: History credits Major Jesus Villamor of the 6th Pursuit Squadron, Philippine Army Air Corp flying a P-26A on December 12, 1941. However this victory is being questioned in the latter years (one of them was me). Then he was credited of shooting down two more aircraft (another Zero) and a G3M "Nell" Bomber. However based on cross checking with official Japanese losses, operational reports, the claims remain doubtful as there was no one to officialy confirm a kill. -- i.e. a wingman or a where the actual aircraft crashed. Mostly speculations. One Filipino pilot who has his kill confirmed was Lt. Jose Kare, when the Zero that he shot down was seen by coastwatchers at Ragay Gulf and the Japanese on the same day (December 22, 1941) confirmed the loss of a Zero over the area on that day.
Hey Battery....You are about the best when it comes to presenting "nitty gritty". You always seem to solve about any question that surfaces on this board when it comes to detailed info. While we are kinda into this area, have you come up with any more "poop from group" regarding a half-way accurate estimate of actual Japanese aircraft losses to Corregidor AA fire. We were talking, at one time about how "destroyed" claims varied so dramatically from "five enemy aircraft shot down for the entire campaign to as many as five destroyed by AA gunners in a single day". If memory serves, you thought that you might be able to peruse some Japanese records. That would be great. Surely the Japanese would "fess up" to how many aircraft they lost to AA fire. No point in lying to themselves, methinks.
In Sabaro Sakai's well known book "Samuraii", he describes the Dec 8 attack on Clark Field from the Japanese Viewpoint. In this he claims that the fighter escort (of which he was part) arrived over Clark before the bombers and so his squadron had to orbit Clark field for several minutes before the attack even started, unknown or without response by the American forces. Has this ever been corroborated by any American sources ?
There were only three (3) aircraft from the US that actually took off from Clark Field when it was being bombed. Lt. Joe Moore, Lt. Randy Keator and Lt. Ediwn Gilmore. The three tangled with Zeroes from the Tainan Kokutai (Sakai's unit) with Moore damaging a Zero but Keator was able to shoot down and actually blowup a Zero for the first official USAAC aerial kill in the Philippines. Gilmore tangled with the Zeroes but wound up escaping and landing at Del Carmen Field.
Post by rickthelibrarian on Sept 17, 2011 21:52:19 GMT 8
In addition, Lt. Samuel Grashio and a couple of other P-40Es from the 21st tanged with Zeros over Clark. Grashio's plane got damaged and he was fortunate to survive. Of course, Grashio came from Nichols, not Clark.
I have seen something like a long drop-tank at Lusong(Luzon) beach in Mariveles. It's made of some non-strategic material. They cut away the top and attached some outriggers on it. I'm wondering if it's from a Japanese plane. There's a story that Battery Cebu shot down a plane near Vigia point or near that Lusong beach. What do you think? I didn't bother to take a picture of it back then. It's only now that it made me wonder about it.
Registrar: Those kin who lost relatives on the SS Corregidor might Personal Message me with their e-mail addresses and I will e-mail them some names of people who might possibly be of assistance.
Mar 4, 2015 14:37:49 GMT 8
Paul McNamee: Great exploration.I searched Ft. Wint '73-'78 Wint was evacuated on 12/24/41, The troops retreated to Bataan as per the war plan.They left the guns intact facing out to sea. The Japanese moved them & fired on Bataan. US military came back & bombed it.
Mar 11, 2015 21:29:08 GMT 8
Sue Brooks: Wow, thank you. this was my husbands war.
Mar 14, 2015 5:16:29 GMT 8
John from Montana: Can anyone point me to the history of the Old Spanish flagpole. I know most sources attribute it to a Spanish ship sunk by Dewey in 1898. I'd like more details and proof of its history
Mar 25, 2015 13:17:10 GMT 8
Popular myths exploded: To John from Montana. 100ft (temp) flagpole erected 1910, south-west of Parade Ground. Destroyed Nov 1923. 86ft flagpole erected Dec 1923, south-east corner of Parade Ground, at present location. Flagpole common with US Mainland CAC forts.
Mar 29, 2015 8:03:22 GMT 8
EXO: Kindly furnish reference for flagpole statement. So, if its a myth you are wanting to explode, start a thread, furnish us with the info that you have gathered, don't just make a bald, anonymous statement on a shoutbox.
Mar 31, 2015 20:08:44 GMT 8
batteryboy: The guns at Fort Wint, Grande Island were NEVER moved or dismantled them nor brought them to Bataan. The two 10-inch DC guns from Battery Warwick were brought to Fort Casey after the war. Japanese had their own heavy artillery.
Apr 2, 2015 8:52:08 GMT 8
batteryboy: Would love to know where the flagpole actually came from. So far the old story is that it came from the Reina Cristina sunk at Cavite during the Battle of Manila Bay. New evidence is welcome!
Apr 2, 2015 9:01:02 GMT 8
Popular myths exploded: I was just a passing visitor who provided information for John from Montana's unanswered request. The information you seek is contained within Quartermaster Corps records of buildings and c1922 aerial photos available from NARA.
Apr 2, 2015 11:42:28 GMT 8
batteryboy: On my way to the Rock!
Apr 10, 2015 5:19:04 GMT 8
Query: I took a look at the photos and text on the Museum, and would very much like to get in touch with Mr. Custodio. Can you provide contact info?
Apr 13, 2015 4:27:23 GMT 8
miami: Guys, do you have any information where are the exact location of the American Cemeteries in Baguio City, what condition they're in, and who is the appropriate person/historian that we could talk to about its history? Thanks
Apr 13, 2015 17:29:14 GMT 8
batteryboy: To Miami: Try contacting Camp John Hay Development Corporation or the American Cemetery at Fort Bonifacio. They maybe able to help you out.
Apr 16, 2015 12:30:23 GMT 8
batteryboy: To Miami: Try contacting Camp John Hay Dev. Corp or the American Cemetery at Fort Bonifacio. They maybe able to help you out.
Apr 16, 2015 12:31:42 GMT 8
Dan Evans: Hi, first ever post. My wife is daughter of George E. Turner, 60th CAC HQ Battery, Sendai P.O.W. Looking for his HQ Battery service record etc. Point us in the right direction.
Apr 17, 2015 8:29:09 GMT 8
beirutvet: batteryboy: Did some research of old photos of the Spanish fleet to see if I could pinpoint which ship it came from, result inconclusive. one good shot of an intact Reina Cristina is actually a painting, mast appears too small. needs more research
Apr 20, 2015 13:54:11 GMT 8
beirutvet: batteryboy: Are you home now from your latest adventure on The Rock? Do we get to see the pictures?
Apr 20, 2015 13:55:40 GMT 8