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Post by George Munson on Jul 9, 2009 17:36:56 GMT 8
The pictures on the ends look like Maxwell-Keys. Can anyone identify the center picture? Reputed to be a Corregidor gun, but ??
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Post by batteryboy on Jul 9, 2009 18:00:54 GMT 8
Top and Bottom photo are most likely at Battery Maxwell Keyes. The middle photo eludes me as the beach is to extended. Must be from another battery.
But wait, one another theory I have (long shot) is that these might be Battery Fuger at Caballo Island.
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Post by okla on Jul 10, 2009 0:12:43 GMT 8
hey guys....let me take a shot at this. pic 1 and 3 are batt keyes trained in the general vicinity of hooker and east points seen in the distance. could the middle photo be the same crew with their ordnance trained directly at topside in the vicinity of ramsay ravine with the point of land beyond the beach being the camp point area. just an uneducated guess. the foliage in the upper left portion of all three photographs (certainly the number one and number three pics) looks the same to me.
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Post by batteryboy on Jul 10, 2009 8:05:25 GMT 8
Hi Okla, Most of the 3-inch RF seacoast guns on Fort Mills were close to the shoreline plus there are no fixed 3-inch seacoast emplacements in the vicinity of Ramsay ravine or the areas near it. The closest would be Battery Cushing but that is way to the west. Below is a map of Battery Fuger at Fort Hughes, Caballo Island. Notice how there is still much land facing the battery. (boxed by the blue lines) and here is a photo taken by fots2 of the area while on a light plane. (photo credit: fots2) I have also highlighted the area in yellow. The battery is also located by a hillside and judging from the photo, it looks as this is Gun No. 1 There is an earth mound on top of the central magazine and its also where the BC is located and may have been where the photographjer was when he took this shot. I was at the battery in 2005 and took pics of gun no. 1 (no more guns, just the busted emplacement). Regards, B-boy ps- in fact, I am beginning to suspect that all three photos were taken at Fuger. Why, at a certain angle from gun no. 1. you can easily spot hooker point in Corregidor. Notice the photo how Hooker point appears a little farther. At Maxwell Keyes, hooker point would be closer if I am standing at gun no. 1 at Keyes. Plus the area around Maxwell Keyes is relatively flat. But that just my analysis.
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Post by okla on Jul 10, 2009 11:23:05 GMT 8
hey batts...i see what your are saying and you could very well be correct, especially since you have actually "been on the ground" at corregidor and the bay forts. i guess i didnt make myself very clear though. let me restate...what i am saying is...could the middle photo show this artillery piece being trained straight at ramsay ravine area on topside or just below it. the line of sight (for the gunners) would pass over the beach all the way to the ramsey ravine area, the sight line being inland from camp point. i just gotta believe the photographer shot two views with the gun trained toward the east more or less and one shot with the weapon trained west toward topside. as i said, this is just an uneducated guess by a guy who has never been there and operating with just the three photos furnished by mister munson. whatever, i love this kind of stuff. you probably are correct though, having viewed it in living color. keep the good stuff coming. i certainly enjoy your posts. postscript....after going back and viewing the aerial photo taken by fots, i am more and more starting to buy into your hypothesis. methinks all three pics were taken at the same emplacement and it probably is battery fuger. part of my job while in the USAF was photo interpretation and i like to think i was fairly competent at it, so viewing fots shot certainly goes a long way in supporting your analysis. makes it much clearer than the three photos taken by some GI back in the 1930s, but if thats all you have to work with, you gotta "go with the flow".
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Post by batteryboy on Jul 10, 2009 13:28:15 GMT 8
Hey Okla my friend,
In any case you happen to visit us here in the Philippines, I would love sit down,get a couple of cold beers and have a nice chat with you. (would even host a dinner for you) There are lots of things to talk about Bataan and Corregidor, plus I would love to hear your experiences in the USAF.
By the way, I am also an avid fan of the USAAC and USAF and their operations in the Philippines plus I also am doing a research on all the airfields used here in the P.I from pre-war to postwar.
So more things to talk about.
Cheers, B-boy
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Post by fots2 on Jul 10, 2009 17:19:39 GMT 8
Hi Gents, Would this perspective help? Hooker Point in the photo with all of Caballo Island. Batteryboy, I think your theory is correct? What do you think okla?
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Post by fots2 on Jul 10, 2009 20:49:16 GMT 8
Eastern section of Caballo
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Post by fots2 on Jul 10, 2009 21:12:35 GMT 8
Here is another view of Caballo Island you may not have seen before. Corregidor Island is in the background with Bataan just visible in the upper right corner.
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Post by okla on Jul 10, 2009 22:04:01 GMT 8
hey guys.....i am convinced. those aerial photos have made a believer outta me. my old intelligence officer, way back in 1952-53, always said the camera doesnt lie. that statement still holds true. fots, methinks your aerial pics plainly reveal that batts was right on the mark. all three photos would appear to have been taken at fort hughes. what was throwing us was mister munson seemed to have been positive that two of the three pictures were taken at maxwell keyes when in fact all three (i am now convinced) were taken over at caballo island. really great stuff. and to think that there are folks who get paid for doing this kind of thing when i would do it for nuthin'. maybe my priorities are askew. thanks for putting up with me, but this old geezer absolutely revels in this military history,etc stuff, especially if it pertains to corregidor-bataan and the philippines. you all have a good day. its gonna be over 100 degrees here in tulsa. i wouldnt mind spending the day at corregidor's enlisted men's beach (since i was enlisted). postscript....batts, thanks so much for the invitation to the PI, but as i told fots sometime back that when i couldnt swing my re- assignment to clark field back in 1953 (instead of rotating back to a USAF station in texas) my lone chance to visit the philippines went down the drain. i am now too old to go galivanting around the pacific as i might have in days of yore. not too impressed with flying commercial over vast bodies of water these days either. now if i could mount up in an old USAF C-54 everything would be a okay. those birds, as was the old gooneys C-46s and 47s were more trustworthy in my humble view.
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