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Post by mapmaster on Aug 7, 2009 22:14:04 GMT 8
Hi fots2
I'm trying to find a photo of the West Entrance taken when an air raid warning interrupted a party smoking outside. The soldiers are rushing inside. The photo could confirm or dismiss the presence of the same type of sand bagged revetment at both ends of Malinta Tunnel.
I think the two dark doorways in your photo may be bit of an illusion caused by the tunnel door being open and shading the wall. Have a look at the vertical lighter shaded area between the two (supposed) dark doors i.e. squarely behind MacArthur's shoulders. To me it looks like a door, hinged on the right edge and folded out against the portal buttress.
One portal buttress can be seen in your photo and the arched roof of the tunnel on the left can be seen as well.
So, I think your photo may be taken at the East Entrance.
I'm wondering if the photo from my old book was taken after President Quezon's inauguration? That was near the East Entrance?
Regards
mapmaster
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 7, 2009 23:12:47 GMT 8
mapmaster,
good points. my first theory is still alive: the east entrance.
Fots thanks for posting an interesting subject but the verdict may still be out there.
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Post by fots2 on Aug 7, 2009 23:19:11 GMT 8
Hi mapmaster,
I don’t agree with the two doorways being shaded tunnel wall. The black areas are too defined and if that is a folded hinged door then it should also be shaded (the outside light is coming into the tunnel from right to left).
If that is a door hinged at the right edge then the bottom of the door is well above the floor. It does not extend down to what may be a rail line.
Perhaps we now have visual proof of rays from God bathing the great General…ok, never mind.
“the arched roof of the tunnel on the left can be seen as well.” Are you referring to what is behind Sutherlands’s head in batteryboy’s reversed photo? In the correctly orientated photo, what appears to be an arch is on the top right but well forward of the rail line. It could just be the angled section of a support beam or wall.
What you are calling a “portal buttress”. If I understand correctly what you mean, couldn’t any reinforced building have a similar support structure?
Have a look at something in the ‘lightened’ photo. Look just to the left of Sutherland’s shoulder. Notice slightly darker vertical and horizontal lines that I think may be the darker interior of a room. It gives the impression of a doorway with a thickness of approximately two feet. That is why I was suggesting that these black rectangles are (shaded) doorways. You may have to adjust your monitor’s viewing angle to see this.
For some reason I think President Quezon was inaugurated outside the west entrance. Not sure though.
Two against one, you guys are winning. ;D
“Could be”, “maybe”, “possibly”. The story continues…
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 7, 2009 23:37:00 GMT 8
Let us muddle the waters some more. President Quezon in some reports was said to have been inaugurated at th Northern Entrance.
I am about to duck from the return fire....
Let the saga continue.....
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Post by fots2 on Aug 8, 2009 0:21:56 GMT 8
Off topic for a moment but what the hell.
From the book “The Good Fight – The Autobiography of Manuel Luis Quezon”
The 30th of December, 1941, was the date set by law for the end of my first and beginning of my second administration. At about 4 o’clock in the afternoon, the ceremonies of my second installation as President of the Commonwealth were held. A platform had been improvised in the leveled clearing outside the tunnel used as the officer’s mess.
What Malinta tunnel was used as the officer’s mess?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2009 1:44:17 GMT 8
I’m sorry, but the more I look, the more I’m convinced that this is the same place. Here are the two photos side by side. Notice carefully where the tracks come out from under the sandbags in both photos.
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Post by fots2 on Aug 8, 2009 9:50:09 GMT 8
For me, the 1942 surrender photo is enough evidence to convince me that we are looking at the Malinta Tunnel east entrance. I never looked at that photo in detail. The interior views are similar.
Thanks tiyoalan for tipping the scales in this little mystery. Working from fuzzy old photos shot from different angles at different times can be a challenge.
Some things are not answered such as the darker interior area beside Sutherland’s shoulder making it look like a thick doorway. But that is a minor thing, it could be a secondary shadow from something.
I cannot imagine anyone painting tunnel walls black. Since this is a black and white photo, they might not be black anyway, just a dark color. Still seems strange.
Those ‘rays from God’ in the first photo is actually the door seen at a different angle in the surrender photo.
This was a good exercise. Thanks to everyone who helped to put an exact label on this photo. Accurate history is what it is all about.
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Post by okla on Aug 8, 2009 10:19:58 GMT 8
hey guys....the side by side photos have made a believer out of me. there are still a couple of things that bug me, but all in all methinks tiyoalan makes a good case for malinta east. maybe those tunnel walls aint black, but good 'ole US Army olive drab paint that has been slapped on the cement. i am a bit puzzled that so many low ranking looking troops are lolling around the tunnel entrance with seemingly no regard for the fact that the commanding general and his obnoxious, second in command are passing so close by. i would think that genl mac would have sutherland kicking arse and taking names. but on second thought, what could you do, stick them in the stockade. that was coming soon enough courtesy of the gentlemen from up north.
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 8, 2009 10:54:44 GMT 8
Alright!!! Thanks Tiyoalan. I got it right the first time! (plus with all the muddle in the waters for the confusion!)
ducking again...
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Post by fots2 on Aug 8, 2009 11:05:16 GMT 8
batteryboy's batting average just increased. Good job.
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