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Post by Jerry Phillips on Nov 12, 2011 11:02:13 GMT 8
Great board! Im curious if anybody has some insight on the 3rd PS's markings, Dec 1941? I believe I have all the other PS's (17th, 21st, 20th, 35th) markings nailed down (Dec 1941), but I am drawing a blank on the 3rd.
TIA' Jerry Phillips
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Post by batteryboy on Nov 22, 2011 17:34:05 GMT 8
Usually the P-40E would be painted in the standard OD over NG. Some reports say that a number of 3rd PS P-40Es had their spinner and front nose part painted yellow. The squadron markings was hardly seen but a few aircraft may have had the 3rd PS emblem on the fuselage just aft below the cockpit. Will send an artwork of a P-40E in 3rd PS. Here is the 3rd PS Emblem Rgds,
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Post by rickthelibrarian on May 18, 2012 8:23:19 GMT 8
The insignia of the 3rd was send quite commonly on P-26s and P-35s. The 3rd was the "original" pursuit qunit, which, together with the 28th Bomb Squadron and 2nd Observation Squadron, formed the 4th Composite Group, which served in the Philippines during the interwar years.
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Post by rickthelibrarian on Jun 27, 2013 22:07:06 GMT 8
I have never seen pictures of P-40Bs or Es with squadron insignia in the Philippines. In fact, about all I saw were "plane in group" numbers.
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Post by batteryboy on Jul 4, 2013 13:36:40 GMT 8
Hi Rick, I agree with you on your analysis as I myseld have yet to see hard photographic proof. However, there might have been one or two that had the insignias or some form of artwork painted especially with the first batch of P-40Es that were given to the 3rd PS. I remember talking to a resident from Zambales who saw Iba Airfield when he was in his early 20s and remembers the P-40s and he recalls one with an inverted diamond insignia in the fuselage. He passed away before I was able to show the 3rd PS markings. What he did remember was a few aircraft had their spinners in yellow. Below an artwork of a Revell kit release of the P-40E The tail numbers are definitely wrong but the yellow spinner and "inverted triangle" insignia matches with some accounts that I have earlier encountered. To muddle the waters some more, remember that one of the captured P-40E in Malaybalay, Mindanao in June of 1942 during the surrender of the Philippines had a "shark mouth" painted on the nose. Crude as it may seem but the nose section where the artwork was painted as in YELLOW. Maybe an ex-3rd PS aircraft? One can only speculate. Regards,
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Post by rickthelibrarian on Oct 4, 2013 8:47:34 GMT 8
As I recall, the P-40s at Malaybalay were shipped in from the south after the start of the war - virtually the only "air reinforcements" to reach the Philippines after the start of war.
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Post by varsity07840 on Oct 5, 2013 22:28:36 GMT 8
As I recall, the P-40s at Malaybalay were shipped in from the south after the start of the war - virtually the only "air reinforcements" to reach the Philippines after the start of war. That is correct. Duane
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Post by victor on Oct 6, 2013 12:22:41 GMT 8
Hi Rick, To muddle the waters some more, remember that one of the captured P-40E in Malaybalay, Mindanao in June of 1942 during the surrender of the Philippines had a "shark mouth" painted on the nose. Crude as it may seem but the nose section where the artwork was painted as in YELLOW. Maybe an ex-3rd PS aircraft? One can only speculate. This might be one of those:
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Post by chadhill on Oct 8, 2013 8:17:05 GMT 8
According to William Bartsch, two P-40Es underwent overhaul and repair during late April-early May at the Maramag airstrip, just south of Malaybalay, and had their noses repainted with shark faces by the maintenance crews. One aircraft had been flown in April 12th with a damaged wing by 2LT John Posten (17th PS) after a strafing mission to Davao, and was repaired with parts flown in by an LB-30 on April 29th. 2LT Donald Crosland (34th PS) brought in the other plane about May 3rd for an engine overhaul. Bartsch suggested that the nose artwork may have been inspired by photos of the Flying Tigers (Doomed at the Start, p.421).
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Post by varsity07840 on Oct 11, 2013 0:39:31 GMT 8
Here's another shot of the same P-40E. Duane
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