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Post by darthdract on Mar 14, 2012 14:26:59 GMT 8
okla and Fots2 Hi Yep it is really odd that the Scrappers have not reach it by this time, I guess the Rust is not as bad like in Fort Drum? I guess? Considering that some part of the Concrete roof have collapsed already Since I am seeing some parts of re-bar. Anyway I just re read my question above I just realize how incoherent it is (missing words etc ) sorry about that its already late when I posted that cheers.
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Post by armyjunk on Mar 14, 2012 23:57:28 GMT 8
Both Tunnels the same, notice the Army scratched out Battery Point name to use this drawing for James Ravine, hope this helps....The crack on the floor might be a clue......120 troops was a correct figure. I believe the "A-Team" should search for the missing tunnel, which GPS's it might not be as hard to do, you know who you are, wanna accept this mission? main tunnel 12x198 OQ's 10x18 office 10x10 latrine 8x20 dressing station 8x18 and it costs 26,000 dollars no small sum in 1921  |
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Post by batteryboy on Mar 15, 2012 8:10:42 GMT 8
Thanks armyjunk. Now we know that they ar twins.
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Post by fots2 on Mar 15, 2012 16:25:06 GMT 8
Hi armyjunk,
It is very rare to get to get a question answered that removes all doubt. Thank-you for posting a blueprint of this tunnel. It also contains information such as what the short laterals were used for and many other details.
The crack in the floor is an excellent clue to look for in determining which tunnel is shown in batteryboy’s photo. I doubt a crack in the floor as late as 1941 was ever repaired. Even though sections of the floor have some rubble on it, determining where the crack would be is not difficult. By zooming in on the 1941 photo, I count approximately fifteen sets of bunks down from the rear of the tunnel to the start of the crack. Another trip back to the tunnel would solve this mystery.
Regarding the missing tunnel in the little ravine near Battery Point, I have been there three times, two of them specifically to find the tunnel. Both times I had the 1936 map and a GPS plus I used the nearby concrete road bridge as a reference point. I wandered around the immediate area and all over the Point later on. The remains of Searchlight #1 and the underground magazine above it are the most interesting things still there.
Here is all I found where the GPS told me the tunnel entrance and large rear air shaft should be:
Where the entrance should be on the western slope of the ravine, I only see a slight concave in the hillside. Not even broken concrete remains which I expected to see. There are a couple chunks of concrete in the stream bed but that looks more like parts of a small foot bridge.
Near the air shaft are about a dozen small chunks of broken concrete scattered around. I do not know of any other reason to see concrete in this area. Also there is a large piece of metal buried almost completely. Only a right-angled section sticks up out of the ground an inch or so. Another factor here is that post war grading of the North Shore Road or even erosion seems to be covering the exact location of the air shaft a bit.
I think I can safely say that this tunnel was blown up to such an extent that virtually no trace of it exists 67 years after the explosion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 23:02:07 GMT 8
That may nor be a crack in the photo. It may be a wire. A wire for the light the one soldier is holding to illuminate the end of the tunnel.
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Post by batteryboy on Mar 15, 2012 23:28:00 GMT 8
I agree and good pair of eyes tiyoalan. Its a wire upon close inspection. Notice on the foot of the trooper that its insulated.
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Post by fots2 on Mar 16, 2012 0:12:37 GMT 8
Yes it is a wire, I never looked closely. Good catch tiyoalan. Thanks.
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Post by oozlefinch on Apr 8, 2012 7:59:28 GMT 8
I recall reading somewhere, I believe in a report from the 503rd, about dropping satchel charges down the airshaft. The writer described talking to someone in the tunnel who was telling the writer about the large amount of explosives in the tunnel, and that he shouldn't drop the charge down the shaft. Off hand I don't recall the result as to whether it brought down the hillside to cover the mouth of the tunnel. I'll try to find where I read it.
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