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Post by rickthelibrarian on Jul 30, 2015 8:25:47 GMT 8
One of the gentlemen from CDSG, Roger Davis, recently posted a number of pictures taken (as I understand it) during the evaluation of what was left of the harbor defenses of Manila Bay in 1945, shortly after the war. Although most included were of Corregidor, there were a few of the guns of Fort Wint, on Grande Island. As several of you know, I have an interest in Fort Wint, as six of the guns were removed from there and installed at Fort Casey and Fort Flagler in Washington State. The picture of one of the 3" M1903 guns at Battery Flake rang a bell, as I remember the damage to the muzzle on one of the 3" guns at Fort Casey (Mounted at Battery Trevor, the original gun [or the barrels, anyway] had been removed in 1933 and ironically sent to Fort Mills) was identical to that in the 1945 picture and this must be one of those removed in the late 1960s. The question I had was the damage to the barrel - do you think it was the result of shrapnel or because it was spiked? I also would like to know if it would be possible to figure which of the 3" guns fired on a Japanese patrol boat before Fort Wint was evacuated in late December, 1941.
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Post by georgemunson on Jul 31, 2015 9:14:17 GMT 8
According to my research, a 3" AA gun from C/91st and one 3" from either Flake or Jewel sank a banca filled with Japanese soldiers. I have never heard of them firing on a Japanese patrol boat. Can you provide some additional information?
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Post by georgemunson on Jul 31, 2015 9:16:56 GMT 8
According to my research, one 3" AA from C/91st and a 3" from either Flake or Jewel sank a banca filled with Japanese soldiers. I never heard of them firing at a Japanese patrol boat. Can you provide some additional information?
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Post by batteryboy on Jul 31, 2015 10:15:58 GMT 8
What I know of a 3-inch firing at Japanese bancas was at Drum using a gun from Btty. Hoyle that was transferred from Frank and placed at the stern of the fort.
I will dig around re: Flake and Jewel.
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Post by fortman on Jul 31, 2015 17:57:51 GMT 8
The damage looks like it was caused from inside the barrel. The sides of the hole are roughly conical, widening outward. This looks like a brittle fracture. Pictures that I have seen of shrapnel damage show dents in barrels, but not holes.
fortman
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Post by cbuehler on Aug 2, 2015 23:29:05 GMT 8
That is a very strange hole, definitely not caused by a shell or bomb fragment. It is too evenly round and deep with what appears to be another smaller hole inside of the bigger one. Shell and bomb fragments make irregular gouges or can sometimes even embed themselves into the metal that is struck.
CB
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 11:08:55 GMT 8
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 9, 2015 20:55:03 GMT 8
Yup, it was said that the scrappers used a shaped charge explosive to try to split the spare barrel of Wheeler.
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Post by fots2 on Aug 10, 2015 2:00:06 GMT 8
Hi zman, yes that is the reserve barrel at Battery Wheeler. To reinforce what batteryboy said, about three years ago I was at Battery Wheeler with a recently retired US Navy SeaBee. I asked him specifically about the holes in the barrels. Were they caused by thermite as some say? He said no, he had used thermite in Iraq and these holes are caused by shaped charges. That’s good enough for me! By the way, all three barrels at Battery Wheeler have blast holes in them. I have no idea who did the blasting. Close-up of a blast holes in the barrel of Gun #1. Gun #1 barrel on the deck and Gun #2 barrel mounted. Reserve barrel lying beside the road into the battery. Video about shaped charges
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Post by Karl Welteke on Aug 10, 2015 12:00:24 GMT 8
Based on my limited experience, I always thought that looks like a shape charge. That is something, that people like me would play with, just to see what a shape charge could do.John, that is a great picture of Battery Wheeler!!!!
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