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Post by batteryboy on Aug 15, 2008 13:29:53 GMT 8
Because of this, I will try to visit Intramuros this weekend. Can you tell me where specifically did you see the tube? (location). That would be interesting if indeed it was the 12-inch M1890 mortar tube from Geary.
Regards, Tony
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Post by The Phantom on Aug 18, 2008 8:39:01 GMT 8
As you enter the fort complex, where you pay by the street, (they keep changing which gate is in, and which is out), you will see all the shops that sell handicrafts etc. on one side. Past them are the remains of some bombed out buildings.
In front of those buildings, there's a pile of misc. shells, bombs, old Spanish cannons etc. That was where I saw the mortar last February for the first time.
There is a beautiful garden in the open space here between the two large promenades.
The promenade in front of suspect mortar leads to the bridge over the water and lily filled moat, that leads to the famous gate going into the inner fort where Jose Rizal was killed, the dungeons where the Japanese killed and tortured many, former headquarter buildings of Spanish, American, Filipino, Japanese........
Tony, is this the gate with the famous picture of a Sherman driving through it in the Battle of Manila?
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 18, 2008 11:51:01 GMT 8
Ok, thanks and will let you know what I find.
As for the famous picture of the M4 Sherman barging thru a gate in Intramuros, some say its the Parian gate but to be honest, I have never investigated this myself. Thsi would also make a very interesting then and now photo subject.
Cheers,
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Post by mgk1951 on Sept 6, 2008 15:31:40 GMT 8
Hi I've taken a few photographs of the gateway into Fort Santiago. However, I have never managed to position myself so as to take a "before and after" type shot to compare with that of the Sherman Tank passing through the gate in February 1945. Luckily my sister-in-law had taken a correctly positioned photograph during January 2007. Here is her photograph (thanks sis): This image can be viewed at i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo117/mgk0951/Fort%20Santiago/IM00637.jpg along with several others in the same album. A copy of the original photograph is contained in the short history of the Battle of Manila viewable at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_(1945). I understand that the February 1945 photograph was taken by a U.S. Army photographer. Regards to all mgk
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Post by exo on Sept 6, 2008 22:17:11 GMT 8
Now that's a great picture comparison.
It's a tribute to the craftspeople who have rebuilt the gate.
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Post by The Phantom on Sept 8, 2008 6:48:42 GMT 8
The 1945 photo, of the tank going through the gateway into Fort Santiago, side by side with the 2007 photo of the present day condition of the gate, is priceless. What better way to experience history than tandem photos explaining past and present separated by 63 years. Your website, with your knowledgeable and concerned contributors, keeps a valuable part of the past alive and viable. Thanks EXO.
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Post by EXO on Sept 8, 2008 12:05:06 GMT 8
Thanks Phantom, but I just supply the blackboard and the chalk - and enjoy the opportunity to see what becomes of it. The key to a good bulletin board is good visitors, willing to drop in occasionally for a few minutes.
Though those damn Chinese spammers piss me off a bit.
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Post by mapmaster on Dec 31, 2008 20:42:55 GMT 8
Manila - New Year's Eve, 2008Hi Everyone Here is a photograph of the latest mortar find in Fort Santiago. It is a Spanish RML gun and an important piece of Philippine/Spanish history, but (alas) not one of the missing Corregidor mortars. This gun was not on display in January 2007. It has been placed near the bombed out buildings and other Spanish cannon. It is upside down. Regards mapmaster
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Post by The Phantom on Jan 1, 2009 5:57:18 GMT 8
That looks like the one I saw last February inside Fort Santiago, in the location mentioned above. Alas, not the mortar from the outside of Fort Santiago pictured previously in this thread, (with the American's crossing the Pasig nearby in 1945).
Where was this Spanish mortar found? Thank god it made it inside and not into a smelter.
So where is the Corregidor mortar now located? Left by the Japanese by to the side of the Pasig near Fort Santiago. On it's way to Japan for scrape?
Thanks for the picture and clarification.
A sidebar,
You didn't happen to see any new trees planted in front of the Manila Cathedral, near Fort Santiago, where all the ancient trees were recently cut down, (by mistake), to provide a better view of the Cathedral? Mahogany, Acacia, etc. trees by happenstance.....
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Post by mapmaster on Jan 3, 2009 17:53:11 GMT 8
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Phantom, sorry I have no answers to your questions. The only thing I can add to the conversation about the new cannon addition is that it appears to have been buried muzzle up for a long period of time. It was probably a gate guardian somewhere. It has also been lying on the ground for some time.
As to the trees outside Manila Cathedral; we went past 3 times and I didn't look. We will probably go back again, so more information later.
Regards
mapmaster
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