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Post by okla on Jul 23, 2009 22:33:48 GMT 8
hey mapmaster....wouldnt our present day congress have a "ring eyed hissy fit" if that 1922 "black bag" job was duplicated by the CIA/FBI,etc in this day and age? ? there would be hearings galore and monumental attempts to make as much political hay as possible. to hell with the security of the United States. times they are "a changing", or i am getting too old to understand things like this any more? ? anyhow, we should all be glad that the boys back in 1922 were sucessful in their little clandestine operation. it certainly provided much needed info for use in later years.
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Post by mapmaster on Jul 25, 2009 10:50:32 GMT 8
Naming of the Navy Tunnels-Navy Tunnel Names
Hi armyjunk
Your last two posts are certainly interesting especially the last post which mentions the associated source of the Navy Tunnel names.
This is a document that none of us have seen. I hope you will scan and post the document in this thread for all to see, particularly if the document contains a map with name placements.
The information you posted as it stands, although it contains 6 names, does not solve the question of which tunnel went with which name. QUEEN is mentioned as being the generator tunnel with a pad for an engine. It may hint that today's southern most visible tunnel was in fact QUEEN. However, any or all of the tunnels could have had generators. The other visible tunnel is so damaged that no purpose can be ascertained.
CAST was the name of the Navy Intercept Team on Luzon. Originally CAST was stationed at Olongapo, then Cavite and finally on Corregidor. CAST is also the US Navy phonetic pronunciation for the letter "C" up to 1941. So CAST in your document may refer to a tunnel other than the Navy Intercept Tunnel.
I've noticed the tunnel names you have posted mention dates and state of completion to that date. As all the dates are December 1941, I assume the document is dated December 1941 or perhaps shortly thereafter. The date and state of completion don't give any indication of the date of commencement of construction.
Looking forward to your next post.
mapmaster
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Post by mapmaster on Aug 1, 2009 8:54:06 GMT 8
Navy Tunnel Names - What happened to AJ?
I was looking for armyjunk's Navy Tunnel names list, and it has gone. He hasn't been banned, has he?
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Post by EXO on Aug 1, 2009 10:03:39 GMT 8
Certainly not.
Whatever ArmyJunk did, does, is of his own accord.
Perhaps we were just not ready.
I'll ask Batteryboy next time we have a beer summit (that's what they are being called now, isn't it?). Torchy is better attuned to such things than yours truly.
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Post by mapmaster on Aug 1, 2009 11:58:02 GMT 8
I just wondered what was going on. One minute there was a good thread going, the next some of the posts had been removed.
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 2, 2009 9:52:22 GMT 8
From Corregidor, Saga of a Fortress by the Belote Brothers:
Am using the original 1967 copy so if you have a latter print out (like the pocket book type) the pages might be different.
PAGE 27 “The only new major appropriation for construction after 1938 came from Naval funds, for the most important being for a Navy Intercept tunnel at Monkey Point to house special electronic machinery the Army and the Navy had developed to break the Japanese codes.
“ Since the Navy also expected to lose Cavite’s base facilities when war came, it released funds in 1939 to the Army Engineers to drive four tunnels into the south side of Malinta Hill to be connected by a shaft to be Army’s South Tunnel Complex. The largest, Tunnel Queen, was an elaborate affair designed to refuge the headquarters of the Sixteenth Naval district. The other tunnels held stores, food, stuffs, spare torpedoes for Asiatic submarines and a naval radio station. Two, set of in soft rock were incomplete when the war begun.”
Note: Tunnel Queen also had mascot named “Boom-boom”
PAGE 71 “Under the Southwest corner of Malinta Hill, opening toward Bottomside, the Navy had its four tunnels. Affim, Baker, Roger and Queen, to which the 16th Naval District Headquarters had transferred from Manila. Perhaps because the Navy was used to living in confined spaces – such as submarines—its tunnel were somehow a bit more shipshaped, more sundown.
FWIW,
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Post by fots2 on Aug 2, 2009 11:32:36 GMT 8
Good information including tunnel names batteryboy.
The Japanese photo shows three tunnel entrances in addition to the two existing tunnels making a total of five. At least one more was added sometime.
Armyjunk, can we get the list of tunnel names back please?
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Post by mapmaster on Aug 2, 2009 11:54:22 GMT 8
Hi batteryboy
Very good information. The source can be expected to be accurate, being written just after the end of World War 2.
I let out a small sigh when I saw 'funding for 4 tunnels'. My thought was, what about the fifth tunnel? Answer; it already existed. All the available maps and plans confirm that the original South Entrance to the Malinta Storage System was built to about 2/3 size by 1934. This entrance corresponds geographically with todays northern most visible Navy Tunnel.
Regards
mapmaster
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Post by fots2 on Aug 2, 2009 13:50:06 GMT 8
Good point mapmaster.
The fifth tunnel was actually the first one with four additional ones added later. Total still five.
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Post by mapmaster on Aug 2, 2009 16:08:06 GMT 8
Hi Here is a digitised portion of the state of construction plan for the original QM Area of the Malinta Storage System, dated 30th June 1934. The plan details the tunnels completed to dimensions 8 feet wide and 7 feet high (2.4 metres x 2.1 metres). Those sections completed are in black while those not commenced are in grey. The length of each tunnel completed, to these dimensions, are marked in feet and metres. Although not marked on the plan, the finished tunnel sizes should have been 12 foot wide by 10 foot high (3.66 metres x 3.05 metres). This layout also appears on the 1935 map of Corregidor. It is not until the 1936 map was drawn that the layout of the QM Area was noted as moved further east. Because of the advanced state of construction, these tunnels must have been completed as part of the Navy Tunnel System. This plan aligns with the tunnel survey work completed by fots2 last month. Regards mapmaster
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