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Post by fots2 on Apr 20, 2013 22:39:03 GMT 8
Hi Patty,
The metal pipe you see is stuck in the concrete pad and surrounded by the metal ring containing bolt holes. I put a stick down inside of the pipe to see how far it would go and at six or so inches I hit something hard. The hole seems to go no further. There definitely is no vent hole seen from inside the magazine and I doubt it would need one. The magazine is small and had two doors. Malinta Tunnel is far below the top of the hill and no vent holes/pipes are unaccounted for down there.
We did not find any other piece of pipe nearby. I should say though that if another pipe base is hidden around there then it is cut-off very low. At the time we did not clear off any more of the gun mount than you see if the photos.
I also wondered about what ‘may’ be a concrete corner at the bottom of the photo. It is angled so is it a random piece of concrete or is the photo tilted so that the level concrete corner looks that way. I can’t say for sure which is correct. Either way, I doubt it has anything to do with the magazine.
Thanks for the ideas. We do not have all the answers and it is good to keep an open mind.
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Post by chadhill on Apr 23, 2013 8:31:30 GMT 8
Phantom, which one of my photos on page 19 of this thread do you mean, I don't follow, sorry-
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Post by The Phantom on Apr 24, 2013 5:43:06 GMT 8
Sorry for the left handed confusion, I am left handed I'm afraid.
I'm referring to Armyjunk's photo of the top of Malinta Hill that you labeled with its various positions.
You posted the picture on March 3rd.
Page #19 this thread.
In the background of this picture you can clearly see building # 430, Instrument Storage Casement,(the best surviving building on Bottom-side outside on the earth covered buildings in Engineers ravine).
Two sets of torpedo cable tanks, #338, #339, are in front of, or east, of #430 in the photo.
Today they are filling with trash, but their concrete outlines are still visible as seen in the Armyjunk photo, with some jungle growth creeping in in the form of vines.
#341 and #342, torpedo storehouses are just north of #430, today they are roofed and contain the trolley bus storage and maintenance area.
One of the workers we met this year near the Instrument Storage Casement, said that the casement building was for a time used as a generator room for the islands power.
One end of this casement building is blown out, the one facing Engineers Ravine.
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Post by chadhill on Apr 25, 2013 6:37:58 GMT 8
Phantom, after looking at armyjunk's aerial photo again I pulled out my 1936 map, and also checked fots' pictures in Miscellaneous Travels page 18 as you pointed out. I see what you mean. You have a good explanation about the blast windows still in place at the Instrument Storage Casemate.
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Post by The Phantom on Apr 25, 2013 21:58:44 GMT 8
The hillside behind the casement building had obviously been stripped of all vegetation from shelling and bombing.
The area was an easy target for shelling from Bataan after the surrender there.
Battery Martin being just up the hill and to the northwest a bit.
The amount of digging someone would have had to do post-war to get to the windows thick metal blast doors from the outside would have required to much effort for the results.
Doing the job from the inside would have gotten you buried, plus the shutters were attached to the outside of the building,
with massive bolts,you couldn't just pull them in to scrap them.
Note that the soil has hardened over the years after being held in place by the blast shutters on the windows.(same pictures this thread, page 19).
Nothing is really holding the debris in place now in the window with the Marsden matting visible.
Imagine what is in that area outside the Casement building today if it were to be excavated..........
Whatever is buried there has been there since at least the end of 1945, maybe even 1942.
At one time, being behind the Casement building would have been one of the safest places to be on Bottom-side.
Once that hillside, just below the trolley lines, was stripped of vegetation, the rains would have brought most of the soil down the hills to rest behind the casement building.
A good place to discover some hidden, quickly dug tunnels, protected behind the thick walls perhaps?
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Post by The Phantom on Apr 25, 2013 22:55:18 GMT 8
Now conducting a test, Isa,Dalawa,Tatlo............
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Post by fots2 on May 4, 2013 9:54:31 GMT 8
From The Wainwright Papers,Exhibit F, Page 72.  |
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Post by wwalker on May 5, 2013 7:05:34 GMT 8
Hey Fots,
Thanks for posting these excerpts. Very good information. Does anyone know where I can find a copy of Wainwright Papers Vol. 2 to purchase? I have been looking online and cannot find it for sale. Any help would be much appreciated.
WW
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Post by fots2 on May 5, 2013 9:19:17 GMT 8
Sorry WW, I do not know where to buy the book. I hope others can help you with that.
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Post by oozlefinch on May 6, 2013 11:41:49 GMT 8
I bought my copy in '87 at a bookstore in Manila, the name of which I can't remember.
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