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Post by one50 on Jan 2, 2010 11:11:24 GMT 8
Very nice showing micahwcollins. That odd one next to your 3 .45 cal. is a .30 carbine round. The six Japanese bullets are 6.5mm and the 3 next to it are 7.7, but are they semi-rimmed or not? 7.7mm semi-rimmed rounds are for the Japanese machine gun. The rim on the back sticks out just a fuzz past the case for the extractor to grab it better due to the higher rate of fire. Semi-rimmed rounds will not work in the rifles due to this bigger rim. Hard to tell from your photo if it's semi-rimmed or not. I'm on a quest for 7.7 non-semi-rimmed See in the photo the semi-rimmed is just a hair bigger. Not much. Attachments:
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Post by micahwcollins on Jan 2, 2010 11:56:12 GMT 8
Well I took a look at four 7.7 mm rounds that I have somewhat cleaned up and it looks to me like all of them are 7.7mm non-semi rimmed rounds. I don't think any of them were from a machine gun. However three of the four have a slight difference in the rim gap size and how the case tapers to create the gap before the rim. But none of the rims extend beyond like the picture you showed me, but I could be wrong. So I guess they had 7.7 mm rifle rounds and 6.5 mm rounds out on corregidor.
Micah
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Post by one50 on Jan 3, 2010 0:34:09 GMT 8
My search may be over. Thanks. Now I 'll have to go to Corregidor and find the proof myself Dan
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Post by chadhill on Aug 16, 2010 8:33:54 GMT 8
I found a nice, completely unfired 6.5mm round on the west side of Water Tank Hill long ago...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 5:43:31 GMT 8
I had a theory that the Japanese force on Corregidor at the time of the 503rd assault used only 6.5 ammo (the Type 38 rifle, Type 44 carbine, Type 38 carbine, etc). With every theory you have to prove it. I have a Type 38 rifle taken from the Corregidor, from a vet in the 462nd. Thus my theory was born. What about the opposite, were the Japanese Army troops fighting on Bataan and Corregidor in 1942 armed only or primarily with 6.5 Type 38 rifles instead of Type 99 Arisakas? Not many photos show enough detail to tell, but there are enough to see the Type 38 was present in large numbers by April/May 1942. One theory holds that since the Type 38s were old and the Type 99 Arisakas new that the Japanese invasion troops were armed with the newest rifles by late 1941.
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Post by chadhill on Jun 5, 2012 7:34:04 GMT 8
This must be a .50 caliber round, measuring .500" on the digital caliper. I found it on the slopes of Mount Alifan, Guam in 1988. Mount Alifan, Guam 1988 I thought these might have been .30 carbine rounds. There were also many .45 and 30.06 rounds in the area. Mount Alifan, 1988. From left to right, the .50 cal from Mount Alifan, a 6.5 mm round found in 1986 just west of the now-extinct tall water tower on Water Tank Hill, and four 30.06 rounds (half an M1 Garand clip?) found on Iwo Jima in 1986, near Airfield # 1 and just off Red Beach 1 and Red Beach 2, the area where John Basilone was killed. Walking toward Suribachi just off the invasion beaches, 1986.
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Post by okla on Jun 5, 2012 9:25:02 GMT 8
Hey Chad....Iwo appears almost "lush" in your 1986 photo as compared to the pics from 1945 which, or course, show the island looking like a "moonscape". Guess this is just another case of Mother Nature overcoming devastation one more time. Corregidor would be another example of the 'ole Gals work. Thanks for posting. Cheers.
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Post by sherwino on Jun 5, 2012 11:47:00 GMT 8
Thanks for posting that Iwo Jima pic, Chad. I saw Iwo Jima in movies, played its map on Battlefield 1942(I play WWII games on my computer). Now I know how it really looks like.
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Post by one50 on Jun 6, 2012 11:25:53 GMT 8
One theory holds that since the Type 38s were old and the Type 99 Arisakas new that the Japanese invasion troops were armed with the newest rifles by late 1941. Production of the 99 short rifle didn't really start till '41 so I really doubt that many short 99's were issued in '41 at all. The Type-99 Long rifle began production in mid '39 with 30,000 made then they switched over to the short rifle which everyone is so familiar with. 38's have been around since 1906 and about 3 million were made, so lots of Japanese troops had the Type-38. I would think '42 and up you would start to see large quantities of short 99's being issued to troops. Dan
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Post by cbuehler on Jul 28, 2013 0:25:44 GMT 8
After much study on this subject, I found that the "Sanpachi" (type 38 rifle and its 6.5 cartridge) remained the standard rifle most commonly used through the end of the war. The relics found throughout the Pacific bear this out. The Type 99 was apparently never universally issued, even by 1945, with some units having them and others not. The 7.7 round is more commonly found on Iwo Jima than more southerly Pacific islands indicating that issue was not common until very late in the war. The type 99 rifle was not present during the Japanese conquest of the Philippines in 1942 and was seldom found there even during the Liberation in 1945. Indeed, during several expeditions in past to the location of the 1945 Kembu Shu defense forces areas in the mountains above Clark, I have never found any 7.7 ammunition other than those for the machine gun.
CB
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