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Post by chadhill on Dec 6, 2010 7:29:42 GMT 8
Fots, thanks for clarifying that for me with the excellent current picture and arrows. Your 1942 photo was much better than mine and thanks for posting it, too...I couldn't help but notice that the man walking on the road thru the ruins of San Jose was further away from the little white shack next to the tree, and he changed shirts on the way! ;D Are there any photos of the entrances to the other two tunnels? I may be seeing pink elephants (a section eight sympton, which I seem to be developing here) but I think there could (emphasis: "could") be remains of an arch above the left tunnel. Lots of damage there, so it's probably just rampant speculation. A blurry blowup: Okla, I see what you're saying. The man walking towards the sandbags in the second photo is only half the height of the entrance, while the two men in the first are nearly as high as the gate behind them, and all three of the tunnel entrances in the hill look equally large. Hmmm...it could be that they are standing a fair distance in front of the entrance, and the cameraman was very close to them. A close look over the sign between their heads seems to show vertical bars in the closed half of the gate, like the other tunnel pics have. But my sixth sense, and sense of depth perception in this 2D photo, tells me you have a good point and might be on to something. If you've got something on CAST can you e-mail it to me, too? Thanks, Chad
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Post by chadhill on Dec 6, 2010 12:19:04 GMT 8
Okla-- P.S., if it's the CAST Tunnel diagram from the book "Day of Deceit", I already have that....Thanks, Chad
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Post by fots2 on Dec 6, 2010 19:13:36 GMT 8
Hi Chad,
Changing shirts is a neat trick. Perhaps it is as simple as two different photos taken a few minutes apart. i.e. different guys walking by.
That possibly is an arch but the distortions are pretty severe. I would place my bet that it is not though because of experience with other tunnels on the island. The interiors may be arched but the entrances (with the exception of Malinta Tunnel) are not. Malinta's entrance may be arched because of the trolley lines through it.
I do not know of any old photos of the two remaining tunnels, only photos of what we see today.
Yes it is the “Day of Deceit” photo of the layout of CAST. It looks quite detailed and is quite useful when looking at what remains inside today. One error it has is the length of the main tunnel from the southern entrance to the west side lateral. In reality it is much longer as it passes under the road. A sketch done in the 70s or 80s has it correct.
P.S. okla, thank-you very much for that.
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Post by okla on Dec 6, 2010 22:41:59 GMT 8
Hey Chad....I gotta agree with you about there being an arch in the left hand tunnel's entrance. The facade is square or rectangular with what appears to be a rounded or curved actual entrance (dark portion). Fots' photo is a bit clearer and these features pop out at me. Maybe I have the "pink elephant" syndrome, myself???In fact that entrance would appear to be the same design as Malinta, though maybe not the exact same deminsions. I could even convince myself that the middle tunnel might have an arch, but I won't stick my neck out on that one. Is work still being done on the right hand tunnel? Or maybe battle damage??? The arch design seemed to be the preferred layout for these portals, even the one behind that Navy sentinel, but it definitely is of a smaller scale than those drilled into the southwest face of Malinta Hill. Cheers. Postscript...Yes, as Fots said, the diagram that I sent to him was the one from "Day of Deceit". Sorry I didn't have any other "poop from Group" for you. Check out the "main entrance" to CAST in that diagram or drawing from the book. Methinks, that entrance behind the Navy guard with the .03 rifle and the one shown in the drawing look awfully similar. Whatcha think??? I sprung this same query on Fots. He might still be pondering this earth shattering problem that we face.
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Post by fots2 on Dec 7, 2010 0:54:43 GMT 8
Hi guys,
I take back what I said about the arch you see. I was looking above the top of the horizontal concrete tunnel face and not below it into the actual entrance. Sure looks arched to me. Perhaps these tunnels are the ones with rail lines for heavy items such as torpedoes?
Regarding the photo with what appears to be tracks coming out of the entrance. Since the rail line did not extend eastward anywhere near Monkey Point, perhaps this is evidence that this particular tunnel is not CAST.
Okla, the Navy guard may very well be guarding CAST. From the drawing you had scanned for me, it shows CAST as having a domed entrance also. I don’t think we can say conclusively though.
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Post by okla on Dec 8, 2010 3:33:08 GMT 8
Hey Fots and Chad...Eureka!!!! Every once in a blue moon this old geezer can throw a tidbit into our Corregidor pot. I have finally found that photo of the Navy sentry posted in the front of the CAST main entrance. It's in the photo section of the book, "Conduct Under Fire", written by John A. Glusman. Viking Press, 2005. Take a gander of that entryway behind the guard. Also, you might check out the stylish, rolled up dungarees . This portal strongly resembles the one drawn from memory that appears in the book, "Day of Deceit". Watcha think? Postscript...This photograph is the right hand portion of the pic posted previously on this thread by Chad which depicts two US Navy personnel, one being CPO Davis and the unknown sentry. I always had the notion that my pic was just half of the original and "lo and behold", for once in my life I was correct.
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Post by chadhill on Dec 8, 2010 4:01:04 GMT 8
Congrats there, Okla! I don't have that book (is it about Corregidor mostly?). Is the photo clearer than the other one?
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Post by okla on Dec 8, 2010 7:32:52 GMT 8
Hey Chad....No, the book is primarily about these different medical officers who were taken prisoner in the PI. I really don't know why this pic was part of the collection included in the photo section, but to settle my fragile mind I sure as heck am glad it was. The photo is a bit clearer, or at least not as dark, but it definitely is the right hand half of the pic you posted. The book is certainly worth reading. Some hospital/medical info that some folks might find interesting. Of course, we Geeks find most anything dealing with Bataan/Corregidor interesting. Right?
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Post by fots2 on Dec 8, 2010 8:39:26 GMT 8
Thanks for finding the information okla. I'll label that photo correctly now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 9:10:54 GMT 8
That Photo looked very familiar to me too:
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