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Post by chadhill on Mar 25, 2014 2:12:43 GMT 8
In posts where I have used info that pdh54 found, I have publicly credited her with it.
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Post by pdh54 on Mar 25, 2014 4:35:38 GMT 8
Nahhh Okla, For most of this stuff, Chad knows where each little mention of something is. All I do is look at what he's telling me about. I usually ask a lot of questions which he patiently answers. Only once in a great while do I ever find something that he doesn't already know about or has seen references too. Patty
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Post by okla on Mar 25, 2014 20:06:10 GMT 8
Hey Hills....Just relying on the old adage,i.e., "behind every great man stands a good woman" or some such statement. I don't even know who, supposedly, said it. Maybe Will Rogers, Mao Tse Tung, Bill Clinton, Benjamin Franklin or maybe it was Fots. Whatever, you two guys have given us a lot of great stuff and to me, personally, some great "under the table goodies". Cheers.
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Post by chadhill on Mar 26, 2014 4:33:16 GMT 8
Hello fots, Very interesting post. I had questions about part of the Kibsgaard account, along with some others I came across, and decided to rely mainly on the brief, basic information drawn from the Auckland War Memorial Museum. Thanks for posting that interesting passage, which merits further research. A careful reading of the museum's text even reveals discrepancies, i.e; the dates the towed freighter Tantalus sank (December 26th as mentioned near the top of the page is correct, rather than the mistaken 10th seen near the bottom). muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/129744.detailAs noted by the Auckland museum, the Henry Keswick towed the British freighter Tantalus from Hong Kong to Manila, where the freighter was bombed and capsized. I found this picture of the Tantalus, which was built in 1923 and originally named the Radnorshire. The ship was renamed in 1939. At 7726 tons, it must have been quite a pull for the 671 ton tug. I found some more info about the Henry Keswick. She was salvaged from Cavalry Point by the Japanese, repaired, renamed the Keishu Maru and sailed in Nippon service in April 1943, but was lost on January 12, 1945. The cause of her sinking is not entirely clear from what I can find (probably bombed), and it may have been off the coast of Longhai, China. One source stated the tug was raised again in May 1947. I also came across this photo, said to be of the Keishu Maru. My apologies for the size. The tug does indeed resemble the ship in the 1921 sketch I posted earlier. However, I wonder if the photo was taken in the 1920s or 30s while it was still known as the Keswick. You posted a very interesting photo of Cavalry Point, fots. I am surprised how far inland the crater extends. I started looking around and found a photo dated March 14, 1945 of B-24s bombing Corregidor. Here is a cropped, enlarged portion of it which shows Cavalry Point. Although not as clear as the one you posted, it does seem to show part of the lower boundary of the crater fairly well. (photo posted by fots2, courtesy of Dan's Collection) Studying the photos brings a question to mind. Does the I-F-3 crater open down on to the beach below, or nearly so? In both photos above there appears to be a lighter colored, flattened-looking area immediately above the crater, seemingly leading down to the beach. In other words, can one stand on the beach and look up into the crater, or nearly so? I suspect this may be what's visible on the cliffs across from the Henry Keswick in the photo below.
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Post by fots2 on Mar 26, 2014 14:07:34 GMT 8
You don’t miss much Chad! The big crater is not a round shape of 360 degrees. It is shaped like a horseshoe with the open part facing toward the north beach. You cannot see the crater from the beach but this may mostly be due to the trees and bushes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 13:27:46 GMT 8
Hi Chad, Interesting research there. Good job. The ‘Henry Keswick’ story is a glowing sample of how historical information can conflict. Notice where this web site ( Link) says a Norwegian named Torvald Kibsgaard was in charge of the tug ‘Henry Keswick’ in Manila Bay and it was sunk at Corregidor’s North Dock. “Torvald A. Kibsgaard worked as able seamen on this ship, but became sick and paid off in Manila on Sept. 9-1941 where he was admitted to a hospital (from Page 2, we learn that William Strachan had arrived Manila the day before). When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor he and some other Norwegians were transferred to a motel in the city. After the attack on Manila they were unable to get out due to the fact that Norwegian ships were directed elsewhere, so in order to avoid internment they all joined the US Navy. Torvald, age 23 was put in charge of the tug S/S Henry Keswick and transported supplies to Corregidor; a Norwegian engineer from Bergen was also on board. On New Years Eve (after D. MacArthur had decided to withdraw) Kibsgaard was again sent to Corregidor, and from then on the 2 Norwegians transported supplies back and forth between Corregidor and Bataan. Henry Keswick was shelled and sunk at "North Dock", Corregidor, and in March the 2 shipmates were on the previously Chinese S/S You Sang. While loading bombs during the battles for Bataan, You Sang was sunk at the Bataan harbour Mariveles. After the fall of Bataan in Apr.-1942, Kibsgaard took part in the ammunition transport to the gun positions on Corregidor using trucks. The day after the invasion, on May 5, he was given a gun and ordered to the trenches with the other soldiers, but when he started to display symptoms of severe shock he was picked up and taken to a hospital at Malinta Tunnel, where he was diagnosed with shock as well as malaria.
After Corregidor had fallen (May 6-1942) he was ordered by the Japanese to clean up after the battles, remove the bodies etc. From then on he was a prisoner of the Japanese.”I think I will believe the Inshore Patrol Log. Link to Citations. CitationsIn case anyone missed it, in my first report, rain kept me from getting to I-F-3 that day. There is an update at the bottom of Page 1 where I did get there and found the big crater. There is an aerial view which appears to show the crater at the former I-F-3. Map showing the location of I-F-3 which was located just back from the cliff at Cavalry Point. The crater looks to be full of grass and bushes by the time this photo was taken on February 6th 1945. Perhaps an aerial photo interpreter like okla can tell us what he sees. (aerial photo courtesy of Dan’s Collection). Fuzzy zoom of the crater big enough to fit a house.
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