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Post by fortman on Apr 21, 2012 13:55:40 GMT 8
Hi,
I have nothing to contribute here but I find the second of Fots' two photos interesting: The GIs are taking great care to use the tank as cover as they approach the target while two members of the tank crew are sitting un-helmeted high up on the turret, totally exposed to enemy fire. Now that is bravado!
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Post by xray on Apr 21, 2012 15:17:28 GMT 8
Nice pics sherwino, thanks for sharing. By all means, do not ever compromise on safety. It would be foolish to venture into an unknown underground structure without planning and by yourself, anyone with sense would have turned back.
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Post by sherwino on Apr 21, 2012 15:55:26 GMT 8
Thanks, Xray.
Fots, if it's going to Bagac, the hill on the right side will narrow a bit the search area. But still it's a long stretch of West Road up there. The road is going downhill. And tree identification would help if it's still there. And of course, finding the remains of the pillboxes. I guess, I have to ask some folks here and there if they know about those pillboxes.
Picture number 1 suggests that the pillbox is still far as the soldiers were not taking precautionary measures nor in attack mode.
Picture number 2 suggests also that the pillbox is still far but they were closing-in. Or they have just neutralized it because a tank crew is on top and another soldier climbs up to take a look.
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Post by fots2 on Apr 21, 2012 19:10:48 GMT 8
Hi Sherwino,
Those photos do not provide much information to work from but I think you have the best idea. When you stop in different areas, asking people about anything that remains from the war is a great idea. Much more than we know about now might turn up. Have fun.
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Post by xray on Apr 22, 2012 12:01:06 GMT 8
Have a look at this www.benning.army.mil/library/content/Virtual/Armorpapers/BrinsonArthur%20CPT.pdf[Browser warned me that the site may be unsafe .... Its a .mil site, nothing wrong with it] Mentions Corkscrew ,, And a "Zigzag" pass. There are two fairly good roads, from *Dinalupihan south to Cabcaben and then through-Corkscrew Pass to Marveles on the southern-tip.,of the, .peninsula_ and from Bagac on the west coast to Pilar on the east coast,
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Post by sherwino on Apr 23, 2012 7:50:43 GMT 8
Corkscrew means winding...The Zigzag pass is winding...some portions on the west road are winding....Got to dig into that stuff of yours, Xray...
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Post by sherwino on Apr 23, 2012 8:41:55 GMT 8
Takes forever to download into my computer though
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Post by fots2 on Apr 23, 2012 9:43:21 GMT 8
That is a good find xray.
There are three good clues to the location of Corkscrew Pass in that text; (1) it is along a fairly good road, (2) it is between Cabcaben and Mariveles and (3) it is along the Death March Route.
There is only one main road in this area so I am wondering if the steep winding road down into Mariveles is what the writer is calling Corkscrew Pass.
A map in the 38th Inf. Division Historical Report shows elements of the 151st Infantry proceeded from Mariveles up to Bagac (north) along the west coast of Bataan and others went east then north via Cabcaben. This second group could have been the one that fought in Corkscrew Pass.
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Post by sherwino on Apr 23, 2012 10:52:18 GMT 8
You're probably correct there, Fots. My first thought of Corkscrew Pass was the Zigzag Road to Mariveles. That's the most screwing road in Mariveles. The ones on the West Road are less screwing than the Zigzag Road. I'm still downloading Xray's stuff. Now, I wanna take a leave from my work, find any remains of those pillboxes and un-screw this matter.
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Post by xray on Apr 24, 2012 4:57:10 GMT 8
Thats the spirit, sherwino ! If I had history like that within reach, I know I'd be doing some serious probing.
It would appear that the moniker of "Corkscrew Pass" to describe a certain stretch of road/trail in southern Bataan only developed during the liberation phase, and not in 1942. Correct ? And I wonder if "Corkscrew" and "Zigzag" might have been used interchangeably, as monikers for the same stretch of road/trail, by various fighting commands ?
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