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Post by pdh54 on Aug 28, 2012 11:53:37 GMT 8
Okla, That piece of metal in Chad's third photo of post 266 looks like a cover for an air vent pipe on your roof, or the cover for a chimney doesn't it? Maybe it was a cover of sorts for a vent for that bunker. I wonder how big it really is. It looks large if that passageway to the right top that is filled with debris is large enough for a human to pass through. Remember if there was a gas/diesel generator in this bunker at one time, it would have to have adequate ventilation. Patty  |
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Post by oozlefinch on Aug 28, 2012 13:07:26 GMT 8
Patty, interesting thought. I agree with you as to the gun shelter in the picture. It could well be that they took down the shelter of the northernmost shelter and drilled holes in the foundation for the base for the pom-pom. It would have saved tearing up the old slab (assuming it was thick enough to use as the base). S/L#8 was originally designed as it sits now with the longer tunnel and the vertical shaft at the rear, the reason for which we'll defer to another time. It certainly has enough space in the tunnel to store quite a bit of whatever. If the diagram of the land defense magazine is accurate in scale, the generator didn't take up much space in the old land defense magazine. If it were me, I would have left the generator there and not spent the time and effort to move it, especially if it was wired to any other positions on the hill, stored as much ammo there as I could and stored the rest in the S/L tunnel. I don't know the storage method for the 1.1 rounds, but they were approx. 1"x6" ea. They could have thrown up a sandbag shelter and stored them in the open. The mystery continues.
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Post by okla on Aug 28, 2012 22:32:57 GMT 8
Hey All...These SWAGs satisfy my mind, as it races toward senility. I will now devote some time in attempting to sort them all out. Each one is very plausible. I say, again, ain't this fun?  Cheers. |
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Post by The Phantom on Aug 29, 2012 6:25:03 GMT 8
Search Light Tunnel # 8 as a latrine?
Thinking of the walk down those skimpy steps in the dark, or in full view of the Japanese on the tail in daylight?
There is plenty of loose soil and debris in the tunnel to dig in, makes sense.
Gives the tunnel a new down to earth meaning for being.
No digging please,............ unless......
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Post by pdh54 on Aug 30, 2012 0:57:51 GMT 8
I was thinking....(family says that is dangerous)......Would there not have been some sort of reg that the Army had in place as to the storage place of ammunition? I mean, it seems to me just from a layman's perspective that you wouldn't want to store live ammunition, fuel and an electric /energy source next to or near each other. Also if they stored this ammo in the searchlight tunnel, wasn't the actual searchlight pretty large? It might have impeded the swift access to the ammo, plus hauling it up the stairs to where the pom pom gun was(we assume). To me it makes more sense to store the ammo as close to its usage point as possible, which would be that tunnel/bunker. Last night I cruised the web and found some photos that I thought might be of interest. POM POM GUN Photo1  Note the size of the ammo which is visible just in front of the men. This is a generic photo of a pom pom gun in use. Photo 2  I assume that this shell is next to a twelve inch ruler. It is hard to see the markings though. It was for sale for about $200. Found some specs on Mark I ammo. The projectile part was 5.8 in long, and the cartridge case was 7.83 in long. Allowing for some overlap where they joined, the whole shebang might have been just a little over 12 inches in length. They purportedly had 25,000 of these. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 75mm GUN Photo 3  This picture was labeled as a 75mm gun on Corregidor Photo 4  75mm M1917 Regarding the anchoring of this gun(75mm), it looks like only the tail part was anchored, so would they have needed a large concrete area to set it on? Maybe only hard packed earth or a nominal concrete pad. The PPG was probably situated at or near where the shelter was just because, from the looks of things on Armyjunk's panoramic photo, there wasn't a whole lot of room up there. In Fots' photo of the present day shelter, it shows a dirt floor, but he notes the following: "A few steps south (of the bunker-my emphasis) is a 75mm gun shelter. It is made of reinforced concrete, rectangular in shape with a floor, circular gun platform on the western side, four posts and a flat roof." page 1 of this thread, post #1 I guess my thought is this: IF they removed the gun shelter closest to the "bathtub", EG-IV-3,(see diagram below for its position) then there was probably some sort of concrete foundation already in place. All that it might have needed was some reinforcing done to the existing concrete pad for the Pom Pom Gun. So that would place the PPG on the hill under the J in Armyjunk's name, which would place the PPG close to the air shaft and the bathtub seen in the still from the Japanese film. This moves the PPG to the right somewhat from the point labeled with the arrow (aerial view). So instead of it being under the nk in armyjunk's label at the intersection of the paths, it would be under the J in his label at the top of this hill, above the roundish shadow. Diagram DELETED May 16 2015 Aerial View  The view is also directly downhill towards the airshaft and bathtub. Let me know what you all think. Patty |
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Post by okla on Aug 30, 2012 4:02:13 GMT 8
Hey Patty....Your theory works for me, of course, until some grizzled veteran (probably from the 60th CA Regt and he would definitely be "grizzled" by now)appears from the mists of the past to clear all this up for all time. Cheers. Postscript....It should be obvious to all, that you are completely addicted to the dread disease, "Rockitis". You have already been briefed by Fots as to it's possible/probable terminal aspects.
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Post by pdh54 on Aug 30, 2012 19:03:47 GMT 8
Hi Okla. Thanks for the encouragement. But there is always something that one has not looked at, that someone will come up with, that changes your idea. Oh well....that's the fun part of this site.
You're right. I freely admit my addiction. ;D The only downside so far is that we are running out of space for books!
Patty
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Post by fots2 on Sept 1, 2012 19:01:45 GMT 8
Excuse the later responses. I was blessed with a tropical delight called Dengue. The Reply #262 map posted by armyjunk and commented on by you guys is interesting. At first I was a bit puzzled as to what I was looking at but it does make sense. This is the shelter/magazine for the 75mm gun position located adjacent to it. The irregular shape of the structure is correct too. I won’t rehash Chad or Patty’s conclusions but they make sense to me. The photos posted in Reply #266 do show this particular shelter. One thing I can add it that this shelter is on exactly the same level as the covered gun shelter. This explains why the rear entrance (which is now collapsed), is shown as being a set of steps up to higher ground level on top of the hill. This is close to where the 1.1 inch Pom Pom was located. Patty, the collapsed entrance IS large enough for someone to walk up. The photo below was taken while standing under the 75mm gun shelter looking north. Straight ahead on the same level you can see a dark area. This is the front entrance to the shelter/magazine. Note the wooden handrails at the right to steady people as they go up the steep path. When you get to the top of this short path, look left and you will see the destroyed rear entrance of the shelter i.e. the top of the concrete steps.  |
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Post by fots2 on Sept 1, 2012 19:02:45 GMT 8
Karl is 100% correct about EG-IV-3 being unique. I expect it started life as any other ‘bathtub’ but was later modified with some sort of roof. The angled metal supports do offer the least restriction for 360 degree viewing.
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Post by rlbj25 on Sept 2, 2012 0:48:45 GMT 8
Sorry to hear about the Dengue, fots. We hope you're fully recovered.
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Cheers.
