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Post by westernaus on Jun 9, 2013 22:11:27 GMT 8
Thanks Okla for passing on the information . FOTS and I had a great chat on the way to the Rock , it was unfortunate that I couldn't join John on a bit of research on the rock . And hey we need you Joe to do a recky on the Rock . So start buying a few of those winning lotto tickets . I was also keeping an eye out at the Manila ferry terminal for Darthtrack . I remember Darth saying he might be going over to the Rock with his Mother and Auntie .
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Post by darthdract on Jun 10, 2013 0:55:06 GMT 8
Thanks Okla for passing on the information . FOTS and I had a great chat on the way to the Rock , it was unfortunate that I couldn't join John on a bit of research on the rock . And hey we need you Joe to do a recky on the Rock . So start buying a few of those winning lotto tickets . I was also keeping an eye out at the Manila ferry terminal for Darthtrack . I remember Darth saying he might be going over to the Rock with his Mother and Auntie . Hi westernaus. Its nice to know you finally made it to the Rock. Unfortunately for me due to economic constraints we where not able to push thru with our plan to take my Mother and Aunt for a day tour. Hopefully next year we can save up and even go for the overnight stay. cheers Jamie. |
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Post by westernaus on Jun 14, 2013 0:06:19 GMT 8
Hi Darthdract Well Jamie maybe next year will be a better year for you lets hope so . And it would be great if you could spend a couple of days on the rock .
Best of luck in the future
Westernaus
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Post by victor on May 6, 2015 22:35:47 GMT 8
A Then and Now super-imposition to mark the date...  |
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Post by Karl Welteke on Jul 3, 2015 19:13:35 GMT 8
HERE ARE TWO, ONLY “THEN” IMAGES. These images were sent by the Gen. MacArthur Museum in Norfolk because we are Corregidor Friends. I don’t offer any “now “images because most of us are familiar with the “now” view. Image X673 is already presented here in this thread by fots2 on page 2. The difference is, you can download both images at about 420 KB at this URL: s74.photobucket.com/user/PI-Sailor/library/Corregidor%20by%20subject/Historical%20Corregidor/Old%20Corregidor%201?sort=9&page=1or tinyurl.com/nbpfyh5Here are the two smaller copies:  X673 this picture shows Corregidor Bottomside with the Island Caballo in the background. We can assume it was shot around 1898; no real US activity yet. This picture came from the Gen. MacArthur Museum to me in 2015 but they did not give the date of the pictures. Fots2 says, on page 2 of this thread, it was shot 1898 but does not say where he found it.  X674 this picture shows the Corregidor Bottomside north shore with the Island Caballo in the background. We can assume it was shot around 1898; no real US activity yet. This picture came from the Gen. MacArthur Museum to me in 2015. |
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Post by Karl Welteke on Aug 23, 2015 18:56:10 GMT 8
CABLE WAY & TROLLEY BRIDGE THEN AND NOW These pictures numbered W4 to W8 show the trolley bridge over the cable way being constructed and in its destroyed state. W4 and w5 are very rare images of the early cable way! These two pictures came from Karl Schmidt a leader in the Coastal Defense Study Group (CDSG). W6 picture is from our own famous forum member fots2. They are uploaded at an average of 310 to 591 KB and so you should be able to zoom in if desired. Much of the early fort Mills was built with the help of this cable way and what had been built are impressive structures for their time. And try to imagine that all those magnificent batteries and buildings were built with this cable way. The trolley system on Corregidor was built later and that is why this trolley bridge was necessary.  W4 is a rare picture of the cable way that built Fort Mills early in the last century. A bridge has to be build over the Cable Way for the new Trolley Line. This picture came from Karl Schmidt a leader in the Coastal Defense Study Group (CDSG).  W5 this is the beginning of the Cable Way at Fort Mills on Corregidor Island, a trooper is sitting on the cable car and the pulling wire is clearly visible. This picture came from Karl Schmidt a leader in the Coastal Defense Study Group (CDSG).  W6 this picture shows the trolley bridge destroyed and it is from our famous forum member the Corregidor Explorer fots2. His shots are often better than mine, that is why I used it. The picture came from this URL: corregidor.proboards.com/thread/651/photos?page=6 W7 the west end of the trolley bridge collapsed onto the east end and I am looking from the top, similar as in the last picture W6. This is the destroyed Trolley Bridge over the former Cable Way at the former Fort Mills on Corregidor Island.  W8 this picture of the trolley bridge is from the bottom and we see that the west end (right) is leaning to the left onto the east end. This is the destroyed Trolley Bridge over the former Cable Way at the former Fort Mills on Corregidor Island.  W9 this is a Fort Mills 1921 drawing of the Engineering Ravine and Morrison Hill, the location of the trolley Bridge over the former Cable way is indicated. Fort Mills was Corregidor Island until it was returned to the Philippine Government in 1948. |
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Post by Karl Welteke on Sept 4, 2015 15:42:02 GMT 8
ONE MORE PIC OF THE CORREGIDOR CABLE WAY & TROLLEY BRIDGE THEN AND NOW The picture shows the cable line under the trolley rail track, being built, from the uphill side. Karl Wilhelm Schmidt sent one more picture to Karl-Wilhelm Welteke. Karl Schmidt is a leader in the Coastal Defense Study Group (CDSG). And we have met several times on Corregidor. He has done extensive research in the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) and that is where this image came from. He has given me many of his pictures and encouraged me to share them. The original image came with 16,583 KB and you can’t upload a picture at this size. So I just tried something new, copy, crop, reduce, capture, snip etc which allowed me to break down that original image into 3 additional sub pictures that show some fine details.  W61 the original picture, reduced much in size, shows the new trolley rail track bridge over the old cable rail way. This picture is from Karl Schmidt (CDSG) and NARA.  W62 (W61 image zoomed in) these 3 workers seem to be Americans, maybe rail road specialists. That is a fairly large ship moored below them along the North-Shore of Corregidor Bottomside.  W63 (W61 image zoomed in) shows details of the old cable rail way that helped build all the early heavy sea gun batteries, barracks and everything else.  W64 (W61 image zoomed in) this picture is really interesting to me. The foliage on Malinta Hill seems to be low brushes only and not tall trees which are there now. The new trolley line is still at its early stage of construction; those rails seem to be laid down temporary only and are used for the construction of the rail system. There is smoke like from a ships stack coming around Malinta Point. |
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Post by fortman on Sept 5, 2015 0:34:58 GMT 8
Many thanks to the two Karl Wilhelms for the very interesting photos. The constructions on Corregidor were an amazing feat of engineering, especially considering the primitive equipment that the Corps of Engineers had available in those days.
fortman
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Post by armyjunk on Sept 5, 2015 1:22:37 GMT 8
Not so amazing when you think they were building the Panama Canal at the same time. Cheap labor and unlimited money you can build most anything..............
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Post by fortman on Sept 5, 2015 11:04:12 GMT 8
Good point Army - the use of Bilibid prisoners made labor less than cheap I suppose.
Come to think about it, the Corps of Engineers was quite an organisation. The design and construction of the Canal was a huge achievement.
fortman
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