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Post by EXO on Mar 13, 2009 21:50:52 GMT 8
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Post by batteryboy on Mar 21, 2009 8:38:30 GMT 8
Most likely Batery Cheney Gun No. 1
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Post by fots2 on Mar 21, 2009 11:38:20 GMT 8
I saw this photo on another web site labeled Battery Cheney and I would agree with batteryboy. Also, it is definitely gun #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 0:31:08 GMT 8
Hi,
I am new to this message board. I just found it this morning and have been avoiding work for about an hour now exploring your wealth of info.
My uncle was PFC Kenneth Rosenberry, 60th Coast Artillery Regiment, F Battery. He was captured with the rest of they guys in May 1942 and eventually died on the Arisan Maru hellship in October 1944. I am trying to piece together his history.
I have spoken with a battery-mate of Kenny's, Everett Reamer. Everett tells me that Kenny was "assigned to Gun #1 as the gunner, which means he shoved the shell into the breech and pulled the lanyard to fire."
Do you know when this photo was taken? And which of the men is the gunner? On which other website did you see this picture?
Thanks for any info you can provide,
Matt
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Post by okla on Jun 12, 2009 1:16:36 GMT 8
hey matt....i must agree that i avoid too much work due to this website, but it enables me to feed my "corregidor/bataan" habit. i am somewhat confused, though ....are you referring to the coastal artillery cannon in this particular photo shown above????if so, i gotta believe that there is some misinformation that is clouding the question. the 60th CA regt, your uncles outfit, was anti-aircraft and your uncle probably was a gunner serving one of the 3 inchers. a lanyard puller,etc would be in order. that monster in battery cheney would be fired electronically in the manner of heavy guns on a battlewagon. battery boy/fots or any number of regular gurus on this board can tell you anything you need to know about the corregidor batteries or anything else. they can even quote to you how many flush toilets were available to the troops, both officer and enlisted, lol. in short, they know everything there is to know about corregidor. i am just a kibitzer, but i did want to throw my little tidbit in if it might help. i have always thought, at least with smaller field artillery/anti aircraft pieces, that separate men shoved the shell home and pulled the lanyard (one loader and a separate shooter). at least thats what a friend of mine from high school told me. he trained at the fort sill oklahoma field artillery school and served in korea on the MLR and i am going on just what he revealed to me. also, that was the way the anti aircraft guns on my air- strip in korea back in 1952-53 functioned. i may be all wet about the corregidor anti aircraft layout, but i do believe that the big guns on the"rock" didnt have a lanyard yanker, at least not batteries such as cheney, smith, hearn or wheeler etc. fots, battery boy,,,,,come in please. i'm in over my head. matt and i need your expertise. :
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Post by The Phantom on Jun 12, 2009 1:32:20 GMT 8
Let me get beat up here by the best.
Am I seeing a mountain on Bataan in the top right of this picture, starting its ascent into the sky? Or is the water slanted?
Grubb's anyone?
The shadows, morning or evening sun effect.
Note how many plug their ears and the ones that will lose their hearing by 30.
The white painted square above the men's room sign, at the end of the pole, a light fixture?
Blast away.........
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Post by victor on Jun 12, 2009 2:54:40 GMT 8
It does look like Grubbs because of Bataan in the background. Here's a photo taken from Grubbs, 2005.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 4:03:13 GMT 8
i am somewhat confused, though ....are you referring to the coastal artillery cannon in this particular photo shown above????if so, i gotta believe that there is some misinformation that is clouding the question. the 60th CA regt, your uncles outfit, was anti-aircraft and your uncle probably was a gunner serving one of the 3 inchers. a lanyard puller,etc would be in order. that monster in battery cheney would be fired electronically in the manner of heavy guns on a battlewagon. : Okla: I think you are right. here is a more complete quote from the email that I received from my uncle's Army buddy: "Both Kenny and I were assigned to the new Battery F and were housed at Middleside Barracks on Corregidor. After extensive training with rifles and 3-inch antiaircraft guns, we were assigned to protect a 12-inch Coastal Battery at Topside Corregidor, overlooking the China Sea. He was assigned to Gun #1 as the gunner, which means he shoved the shell into the breech and pulled the lanyard to fire. I believe he had Private First Class rating. I was assigned to #2 Gun and was a fuse range setter. The shell was placed into my range-setter and was set to explode in the air. One maneuvered the shell from the fuse setter and placed it into the breech of the gun, Kenneth shoved it home and pulled the lanyard." So... this picture doesn't show the anti-aircraft guns that my uncle fired? Anyone have a picture of one of those? Forgive my ignorance, please! Matt
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Post by okla on Jun 12, 2009 5:25:34 GMT 8
hey matt....on this website are pics of the 3in anti aircraft guns in firing mode. i dont know the exact location, but with a bit of prowling you can find them i am sure. hopefully fots, battery boy, phantom, vic or another of our resident experts will check in and tell you everything you need to know in your quest. as i have said in my previous post, these guys know about all there is to know about corregidor and those dismal events of early 1942. postscript....you aint ignorant. you are just like me, highly interested in a perplexing and intriguing series of events. nice talking to you. postscript...the 60th CA Regmt was quartered in the middleside barracks, as your uncle's friend stated, at least for the most part as i understand it.
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Post by batteryboy on Jun 12, 2009 6:33:11 GMT 8
Alright, you just called the attention of Batteryboy in his battery command station (surrounded by the shelves of doom) To Vic and Phantom, Nope, I am sorry but the gun in the photo was taken at Battery Cheney, not at Grubbs. The gun is clearly a M1895 12-inch Gun on a M1901 disappearing carriage. Battery Grubbs Grubbs is armed with a M1895 10-inch gun on a M1901 carriage. How can you determine the difference. The 12-inch Disappearing Guns on the island were replaced with a higher elevation band at the rear to give it an extra 5 degrees so the range was increased from 13,500 yards to 17,000 yards. The 10-inc DC gun on Grubbs still retained the orginal elevating mid-band and was never changed. Photo shows Filipino gunners on training at Grubbs. Notice the elevating band in its mid portion. Compare it with the 12-inch DC gun at Cheney below: Second is the loading platform and steps leading to the gun well. You will notice that in the 12-inch DC guns there are five steps leading to down to the carriage and gun well. In Baterry Grubbs its just a step Below is a photo of Gun No. 1 of Grubbs.. Below is Cheney No. 1 (at present day) Notice the difference ...just clear the trees at Cheney and you would get the exact view in the first photo posted on this thread. To Matt, Battery F, (Flint) 60th CA were armed with 4 3-inch guns manning a postion just in front of Battery Cheney. Their location would have been near the 3-inch practice range that can be seen in the 1936 COE map below: To Okla my friend The big guns and mortars in Corrgedidor relied on both the lanyard and the electric magneto for firing. Imagine if a power failure occurs, how can you fire those biggies? Below is a photo of a practice shoot at Geary. Look at what the gunner is holding: And a nice photo of a 12-inch DC gun at Fort De Russy being fired: The gunner would hold the lanyard with his left and and then strike it with the right in a backyard motion. Even the 12-inch guns of Smith and Hearn can be fired both electrically and with a lanyard. Cheers,
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