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Post by okla on Oct 28, 2011 1:54:07 GMT 8
Hey Fots...Any numbering system you deem necessary suits me just fine. Just keep this good stuff forthcoming. "Addicts" shouldn't question the supplier. Cheers.
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Post by The Phantom on Oct 28, 2011 5:15:27 GMT 8
After re-examining this entire thread, which answers a lot of questions I had about the various tunnels near Mariveles, I was also thinking about why someone would dig a hole 30 ft. deep through solid rock, inside a tunnel?
Maybe the present can shed light on the past here.
The current residents rely mostly on the water supply they get from the tunnels near them for their daily use, probably more so in the dry season.
Maybe 30 ft of water in a hole is what they were after back then---a hole full of 30 ft. of clear, drinkable spring water.
With all the constant bombing going on it would make it easier to get your water, if it was already inside you tunnel, and it was the dry season when the tunnels were in full use.
They may have followed a couple of springs down into the ground, and built wooden platforms over the holes.
I don't think they thought the GOLD was 30ft. down........right?
Just a thought.
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Post by fots2 on Oct 28, 2011 15:39:19 GMT 8
Phantom,
Digging a safe and secure water supply inside the tunnel is an excellent idea. If it was dug by the same people who also constructed the tunnel then this may explain why we see such a precise rectangular shaft and not just a rough hole for some other purpose.
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Post by The Phantom on Oct 29, 2011 1:45:43 GMT 8
Is the 30 ft deep shaft construction, full of clear water, you saw in the tunnel similar in construction to the deep hole we found on the tail of Corregidor in the Cemetery?
Were they so desperate for water on the Tail that were digging for water during the siege of Corregidor in 1942?
They were so far away from any water source and water brought by truck was becoming more erratic all the time?
I would be curious to know if that hole on the Tail could hold water for any length of time, merely used as a storage location for water?
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Post by xray on Oct 30, 2011 10:54:08 GMT 8
Hi xray and okla, Thank-you for the comments. We are a fairly small group and I realize that the subject matter is not of great interest to most people but I have a great time wandering around and recording what I see. Thanks to the guys who give me ideas to keep lots of items on my "To Do" list. Limited interest indeed - History fades quick for new generations. I have been fascinated with military/war topics since I was a child, and more than ever until this day. The war in the Pacific especially, and the battles in the Philippines in particular, hold a major interest for me. Also a big fan of "then and now" topics, so this is the perfect place for me, and you are the perfect person to connect the past with the present, for those of us who cannot actually walk and explore the hallowed ground bordering the Manila Bay. I thank you once again for your efforts. You obviously have a great drive to do this yourself, but know that there are others, besides the regular gentleman who post here, greatly appreciative of all you you do - I probably lurked here for 3 years just browsing before I said anything, and I finally thought its only right to let you know how much I enjoy your posts. Great site guys, keep up the good work - History lives, so long as there is 1 person willing to remember, and learn. |
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Post by fots2 on Oct 30, 2011 15:46:12 GMT 8
Hi xray,
In my opinion more people being interested in Corregidor is a very good thing. Most forum members have more than a few years under their belts and a younger crowd will be necessary as time passes.
Other than my own personal interests, my goal is to let people know that there is more to Corregidor than they see on the day tour and more importantly, to record what remains today. In my 15 years of going to the island I have seen changes and not all of them are positive. The island is changing.
I do not know if you have had the opportunity to visit Corregidor but if not, I hope that happens. Someone like you would enjoy it immensely. Good luck.
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Post by fots2 on Oct 30, 2011 15:49:45 GMT 8
Hi Phantom,
The 30 ft. deep hole in one of the Mariveles Navy tunnels is cut through solid rock. It is filled to the top with water. (crystal clear water in the dry season, a bit cloudy in the wet season). I never thought to ask but I assume this water is available to the local residents throughout the year. Three tunnels have plastic water pipes coming out of them going to individual houses.
The 12 ft. deep hole in one of the Tailside cemeteries was created after first desecrating a concrete burial site then digging further under it. I could be wrong but I doubt this was done when the island was under US control. Lt. Lawrence's information does talk about water having to be delivered there but no mention of a nearby source. He does say the food and water delivery was becoming erratic on the eve of the final assault.
The hole was dug through the soil and what appears to be loose rock. I have seen it twice and both times it is bone dry and dusty inside. The 1942 siege took place during the dry season so not even rain water would have drained into the hole. Somebody went to considerable effort in that cemetery. Something of value was there at one time.
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Post by Karl Welteke on Oct 30, 2011 16:19:30 GMT 8
Great piece of work fots2. Outstanding job, John! Unbelievable but I only seen it today.
Okla, let me try--Ma-ree vel-les. And you can’t pronounce the a as an American, got to be like the Italian and Germans do it .
Okla, the Real river is fairly large river but it runs mostly from west to east and it flows into Manila Bay thru the lower half, south end, of Cabcaben. That means it doesn’t flow into the North Channel.
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Post by fireball on Oct 30, 2011 21:07:16 GMT 8
The old Quarantine Station Building situated in the Mariveles Mental Hospital, but dating back to Spanish times (and much expanded by the Americans). Attachments:
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Post by okla on Oct 30, 2011 22:56:41 GMT 8
Hey Karl...Many thanks for the poop concerning the actual location of the Real River. I don't know why I let trivial stuff like this eat on me. I guess it's because I don't have anything better to do. It does keep my aging gray matter, brain cells, etc active and me out of the "pool hall".When you are pushing 80 you will try almost anything. Also, as to the pronunciation of Mariveles, I would hope my "gringo" or Oklahoma accent wouldn't show thru, but over the many years, it has, sadly, become more pronounced. Cheers.
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