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Post by okla on Oct 16, 2010 3:13:53 GMT 8
Hey Fots...Thanks so much for the new postings of "now and then" shots of Corregidor. As you gotta know, by now, these postings will alleviate my most recent "withdrawal" pangs for a considerable time since there are so many of them to ponder. I am sure I will have more queries as time goes on, but I do have a couple of quickie observations I want to get to before my rapidly failing mental capacities fail me. First, in the pic of the early,"simple" Cinema (the photo with what one would think were a couple of British Colonials standing before the structure)...are those bullet holes all over the front of the building? I thought at first glance that maybe it was something in the film, but they certainly look like damage from shrapnel or actual machine gun bullets. Who could have been firing at the theatre in those early days? A second observation is how fouled Enlisted Men's Beach is nowadays. But you have stated in earlier presentations how Manila's garbage finds its' way to this hallowed ground. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that present day beaches are so littered. Finally, but I am sure it won't be my last query/comment, I can't help but wonder, when looking at these young, healthy GIs, if any of them ended up in captivity and came out, if at all, of confinement as walking skeletons. Even if these pix were taken in the 1930s they could have re-upped and were present when hostilities began. Anytime I view individual soldiers' photos, taken at pre-war Corregidor, I always have these "wonders". One more item...I am not finding a horizontal view of the cistern. Is it in that pic of the Cine and I am just missing it? As I said, my mental facilities are not so good at crunch time. This is great stuff. Enough here to keep me busy for many hours. All I can say, other than thanks again, is YOU THE MAN. Cheers. Postscript...The Topside view of Corregidor, looking east...Seems to me that you are standing in the previous photographers' exact footsteps or damned close to it.
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Post by okla on Oct 16, 2010 7:09:48 GMT 8
Hey Fots....After scoping the pic of the early Cinema, two or three more times, I have come to the conclusion that those "bullet holes" are the result of the, probably crude at the time, film development process. The only other way apparent " bullet holes" could appear on the facade of the movie house was for some GI to have gone bezerk and shot up the place with a Thompson sub-machine. As you can see my over active imagination kicks in at the slightest provocation. Cheers.
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Post by chadhill on Oct 16, 2010 10:31:38 GMT 8
Wow fots, another fantastic foto fair! Okla, I see what you mean about those .45 "holes" in that pre-war picture of the cinema, it's got to be a photo gremlin at work, right? But it sure does look like somebody sprayed it with a Thompson or Grease gun. Another Now and Then: fots' 2009 photo Mine from 1986:
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Post by chadhill on Oct 16, 2010 10:56:02 GMT 8
fots' image from 2010 of the scavenger-barreled gun Mine from 1986 Is just one gun there now? This photo is only stamped "September 1985" on the back, and I cannot remember if it was above Engineer Ravine. Maybe they are guns from another position?
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Post by fots2 on Oct 16, 2010 14:22:05 GMT 8
Hi okla, Thanks for letting me know about the cistern photo. Pilot error there, fixed now. Those do look like bullet holes in the cine but I doubt they really are. The photo is of poor quality but I zoomed in and cropped a section for you anyway. You can see lots of crap and digital distortions in the photo. As chadhill says, lots of photo gremlins at work. Enlisted Men’s Beach and the whole coast along this part of the island is unfortunate enough to catch whatever the outgoing tides bring here from Manila. The other side of the island facing the South China Sea is quite clean.
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Post by fots2 on Oct 16, 2010 19:28:44 GMT 8
Hi Chad, Interesting gun photos you have there. I was at the Japanese AA gun a few days ago. The land is not flat there since it is on the hillside above Engineer Ravine. (Only the immediate area of the gun is flat). Your photos look like two of the guns that are now on display at the Japanese Memorial Garden on Tailside. I have no idea where the guns were located before they ended up there. Here are some recent photos of those Tailside guns. Note the similarities.
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Post by chadhill on Oct 16, 2010 22:11:19 GMT 8
Thanks for the information, fots. I found a 1985 photo of one of the guns shown in your Tailside images. There was no Japanese Memorial Garden there then. I failed to write down the location of the gun but think it may have been off the main road that goes from Malinta to Topside. Your recent photo: My 1985 photo:
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Post by fots2 on Oct 17, 2010 1:15:44 GMT 8
Hi Chad, Those two gun photos match for sure. I don't recognize the location though.
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Post by okla on Oct 17, 2010 1:29:20 GMT 8
Hey Fots....A couple more comments as pertains to Enlisted Mens' Beach. I wonder if the north beach being more prone to accumulate Manila garbage was taken into consideration when the Officers' Beach was placed on the Southern Shore of "the Rock" Naw!!!! The "Powers that Be" wouldn't do that would they??? Just kidding. Back in Pre War days I would imagine that Manila wasn't flushing nearly as much crud into the Bay. One other point about the EM Beach. Is that an "enlisted dog" frolicking" in the surf. He seems to be enjoying his canine self. After viewing the eastern portion of the Fortress from the vantage point of Malinta Hill, I was rather surprised at the number of structures located in the area of Denver Hill,etc before one reached the Kindley Field region. Somewhere on this Website is an aerial view of the Eastern tail area (1932 date) and it reveals that area to have an extensive number of buildings. This latest group of "now and then" pix has me as busy as a one eyed cat watching two rat holes. Cheers.
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Post by fots2 on Oct 17, 2010 12:45:45 GMT 8
Hi okla,
You have a very good point about there being much less trash then than now. Actually the Officer’s Swimming beach is on the same side of the island as the Enlisted Men’s beach, only a bit more than 1000 feet further east. Of course no officer would clean a beach… ;D
The maps show many structures on the eastern part of the island. Not much can be seen now as you drive to Kindley Field. With a short walk off the road in just about any direction you will come across concrete foundations. Defenses are mostly closer to the coastline.
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