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Post by fots2 on Jul 15, 2009 14:49:58 GMT 8
Good photos ExO.
All I can say is that the first photo is pre 1932. Looking north across the Parade Ground, the 1921 map shows two large buildings in front of the Mile Long Barracks but on the 1932 and 1935 maps, they have been moved or removed.
The large building in the photo (the one to the left on the map) is labeled “Privately Owned Building”. On the same map, the building on the right which we cannot see in the photo is labeled as the “Grand Stand”. In the photo it almost looks like a covered Grand Stand is actually south of the private building and not beside it as the map shows.
As okla said, perhaps over time the baseball field plus some buildings were moved around. It is impossible to capture every configuration that ever existed in maps that are created years apart.
I wonder if mapmaster has seen the first photo?
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Post by mapmaster on Jul 15, 2009 18:17:40 GMT 8
Hi I have found some photos of the pre 1932 grandstand and the private building. They have been published previously on the CHS website. The layout of buildings along the northern edge of the athletics/parade ground were as follows (from the east to west): Car Station #105; Private Building #92; and Grandstand #154. The Car Station remained somewhat unchanged until 1942 - it's foundations are still visible today. Building #92 (all private buildings were numbered 92 between 1921 and 1935) may have been a Cinematograph and/or a Dance Hall. It's entrance was facing to the east and the Car Station. It appears to have an alcove or foyer at the entrance and a second floor above the entrance in the main part of the building. Sort of like a projection room. Building #92 does not appear in any photographs that show the Corregidor Cine that can be seen today. The Grandstand was angled off centre. The two faces of the stand would have give a good view of the baseball diamond. Early photograph of Mine Long Barracks. The roof of the Private Building can just be seen behind the roof of the 4th Officers Quarters from the right. The Grandstand roof can just be seen to the left of the Private Building - there is no Corregidor Cine in the photograph (the Cine we know today) Regards mapmaster |
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Post by fots2 on Jul 15, 2009 23:04:47 GMT 8
It is amazing how you guys can dig up those old photos. Thank-you.
Why would such an impressive grand stand on the north side of the parade ground be removed and replaced with that half-assed one in the south west corner?
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Post by okla on Jul 16, 2009 3:44:36 GMT 8
EXO....really good stuff. as fots stated..."where do you come up with these old pics???" fots..".half assed", i believe, is a most appropriate description of those stands. you may have opened another can of corregidor worms. i love it.
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Post by The Phantom on Jul 16, 2009 6:08:04 GMT 8
I would like to see a picture of the entire Parade Grounds, from one end to the other, from this time period.
I feel it may be possible that the Grandstand, with it's back to Mile Long Barracks was there at the same time that the other, the smaller grandstand, was also on the Parade Ground at the opposite end by the Officers Quarters.
Two games going at once?
Many ballparks outfields are close to each other in parks of yesteryear and today.
Look at EXO's 3rd picture, the area is big enough for two fields at once. Do I see a game in play on the other field?
Note the people sitting on the hill.
Is that the infield beyond the game in play on this field?
Fun stuff.
Which field did Babe Ruth play on?
Corregidor and in Manila?
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Post by mapmaster on Jul 16, 2009 7:35:18 GMT 8
Hi Phantom
The third photograph of the post by the EXO is the photo you wanted to see. The Car Station, Private Building and Grandstand (earlier large structure) were originally in a line in front of the Post Exchange and Guard House of Mile Long Barracks.
EXO's third photo, across the baseball game/s, is aligned with the PX and Guard House, right on where the large Grandstand should have been. The smaller southern Grandstand is in this photo.
(who can't spell original?)
Regards
mapmaster
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Post by one50 on Jul 21, 2009 23:14:44 GMT 8
To get back on track of the original post  I ordered all the photos from Fred Hill that he had that showed the west side of the parade ground. Some very interesting things looking closely at those photos. One photo shows the second stick of men jumping in mid air, and the first stick just landing. The Spanish flag mast has no flag on it at all. So i'm gonna say the Japanese didn't use it. Unless someone grabbed it on the way down  Another few photos show many chutes on the ground and men walking around landing zone A. Seems to be well after the initial drop, but none of the poles have flags on them I can see. I'm starting to think it may not be the large poles to the west of the parade ground. I think it may be the shorter poles in front of the barracks, but on the west end. I think the large poles are very large. The photo of the men climbing the pole and hanging the flag seems to not be that large. If anyone has photos of the first 2 weeks of the west end, please look them over for signs on a flag Thank you Dan |
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Post by The Phantom on Jul 22, 2009 6:40:55 GMT 8
Based on the photo showing the trolley at the station you can see that this location uses electricity to run the system. (Note the rod from the trolley hooked up to the wire hanging from the pole).
If that's the case then there will be similar poles all along the tracks leading in front of Mile Long Barracks, leading down towards the Car Barn, Hearn, Grubbs, the interchange leading to the Quartermaster buildings and the Hospital.
I have seen the remains of metal poles all through there, cut off at the ground.
So were they there for us to fly a flag on in 1945, one at the northwest end of the Parade Grounds? Or had the Japanese, or should I say American's and Filipino's, already cut them all down to make into cannons and rifles in Japan?
Or were they still up and the scrappers got all but the one remaining pole by the offices near North Dock after the retaking?
Looking at that pole by the Topside Trolley Station, and realizing they were mostly made of iron, termites and typhoons you see, it makes perfect sense that you see so many types of insulators all over the island.
Sorry off subject again...........bad boy.
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Post by batteryboy on Aug 2, 2009 11:30:44 GMT 8
When the 503rd returned to Corregidor, 1st Sgt. Carl N. Shaw of Reg. HQ and HQ Co. saw to it that the flag be raised again shortly after landing. His 2 volunteers were T-5 Frank G. Arrigo and Pfc. Clyde I. Bates. The pole they used was not the Old mast flag pole. It was a tall old telegraph pole on the western end of the parade ground. The pole was already spiked for climbing and the 2 men went up under Japanese sniper fire. The flag remained on this pole for 2 weeks during the fighting. It was not until the fighting was all but finished and orders were given to move the flag higher on the parade ground where a formal ceremony took place. Are you referring to this flagpole?  Same guys as you mentioned that was credited for climbing up. |
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Post by one50 on Aug 4, 2009 0:32:54 GMT 8
Yes, that flag pole. Do you know exactly which one it is? Also, thats a very nice photo, my copy is not that clear, where did you copy that from? The wire from the pole going off to the left side of the photo does not show up on my pic. Very cool. Thanks Dan |
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