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Post by okla on Feb 2, 2014 2:27:34 GMT 8
Hey Chad....Methinks, you, sometimes, sell yourself short i.e. "SWAGS". Your SWAGS seem to be pretty well thought out and are usually valid assumptions. Cheers. Fots...Thanks for these latest pics. You gotta have the most complete file of "Rock" photographs on the Planet.
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Post by chadhill on Feb 2, 2014 5:39:23 GMT 8
Thanks, okla. When I'm not completely sure about something, tho, it's a knee-jerk reaction to declare it a "SWAG". Dates back to my USN days...part of its culture at that time. If you were then found to be mistaken, at least you had left yourself with somewhat of a way out. Had you offered a reasonable, honorable guess and were wrong no "hara-kiri" was to be expected of you. You would present your apologies to the next Kangaroo Court at the O'Club and then take your lashes by drinking from the awful "grog bowl". All would then be forgiven. I wonder if such traditions still exist in the current politically-correct climate. Fots, you are amazing again. I turn around and suddenly photos of Building 207 appear! Since we are on a new page I'll repost the original photo: And here is a section from the 1936 map, showing the area from Battery Point (top left) down to Building 207 (lower right): At first it was hard for me to see that the photo was taken from so far inland, and that the apparent shortness of the shoreline in the photo was due to rising terrain in the background and the direction the camera was pointing. But after some study I realized you are absolutely right! I think this would place the wreckage of the Casiana much further southeast of Battery Point than I previously thought and closer to Engineer Wharf. Sorry, this is the only image I have of the photo and I have no hi-res software. I'll try to get my high-tech kids to do something on their PCs and send you a copy if they can help. Thanks again, fots! * * * * * P.S.- Late entry. I wondered why Building 207 was left standing while everything else in the photo was leveled. Was it because it may have been, as we called them in the Navy, a HEAD? Even had its own 75mm for protection! (photo courtesy fots2)
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Post by fots2 on Feb 2, 2014 21:24:53 GMT 8
Hi Chad and okla, I had a lucky shot at identifying your photo since building #207 is unique, the rest just fell into place. Since #207 is the only building in the immediate area with concrete walls, that may be the answer as to why it is the only one remaining. The concrete floor and foundations in the foreground of your photo are all that remains of the two large barracks and school buildings (#439 and #440). Today CFI has a row of houses for their staff along the right side of the foundations. You can still clearly see them. Between the road and the row of CFI housing is the concrete floor of Building #440. Building #440 was to the left and #439 was to the right. Building #207 did not survive unscathed though. It has quite a bit of damage at it’s rear right side corner and a couple other locations. You can see the corner roof damage in your photo. I don’t remember seeing any toilets inside it although there is at least one very close nearby. The bowl still sticks up through it’s concrete base. Here are more photos of that building. Damage at the rear of the building. Another view of the damage. A “squatter” toilet is quite close to the building. There is talk that this building was the only structure on Corregidor to be constructed by the Japanese. No one has proof that this is true. Personally I doubt it. I probably shouldn't confuse the issue but what we see is not the original building #207. It just sits on the exact location of #207 at the rear of the old Spanish Fort so is easily identifiable on maps.
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Post by fots2 on Feb 2, 2014 22:03:50 GMT 8
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Post by okla on Feb 3, 2014 1:45:31 GMT 8
Hey Fots and Chad....We may not win them all, but with the SWAGs and treasure trove of great photos, we have a good enough Won/Loss Record to win the Championship most years. Cheers.
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Post by chadhill on Feb 3, 2014 4:10:50 GMT 8
Okla, isn't he amazing? Great photos, fots! I still contend that you must publish a book about your Corregidor photos and explorations. The "squatter" toilet sure strikes me as being Japanese. Those final photos you posted show a rock pile next to Engineer Wharf. This makes it easier to see that the photographer must have been standing on the wharf and looking out over the rocks when he snapped the picture below, which was published in Philippine Expeditionary Force (the pic started this thread off, too). We wondered about those rocks at the beginning of this thread. I'll have to do some research on old ships and see if I can ID the beached boat. Thanks for those photos-
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Post by okla on Feb 3, 2014 6:16:18 GMT 8
Hey Chad....I gotta agree with you regarding the "Squatter" toilet being Japanese. Way back in the summer of 1952, while spending two or three days in Tsuiki, Japan processing for shipment on to Korea, I was making use of a uni-sex (which was a surprise in itself) public sanitation facility. While visiting said facility I noticed one of these "floor models" on entrance. Upon leaving I took notice of a local "Josan" using the floor urinal. It was at this point that the fact I was no longer back in Oklahoma, finally, was driven home. Things were going to be different, if not completely alien, from that point on. I vote that the structure, maybe, is of Japanese origin. Sorry Fots. We generally are on the same page. I guess when it comes to Latrines we must part ways. lol.
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Post by fots2 on Feb 3, 2014 9:09:06 GMT 8
Hey okla, being from the same side of the planet as you, I prefer a little privacy and do not mind parting ways on this particular subject. I have seen toilets such as this elsewhere in Asia. By the way, that toilet almost appears to be sitting on part of the old Spanish fort. It is impossible to tell how old the toilet is. What if it is from that period of Corregidor’s history only a few decades earlier? Did the Spanish or Filipinos use such toilets before the Americans arrived to introduce the “sitter” type shi**er? Perhaps some of our local members would know.
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Post by okla on Feb 3, 2014 10:22:44 GMT 8
Hey Fots...."sitter type shi**er", you say??? You wax poetic, I do believe!!! I do know that an Englishman, by name of John Crapper, did, in fact, invent the "sitter" commode (flush type). And I believed, for years, that the word "Crapper" was an off color word. Isn't it amazing how "Rock Study" takes us down such strange and exotic avenues??? I would expect that our "Leader", EXO, to display the infamous "U Turn" Logo in short order. Cheers.
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Post by fots2 on Feb 3, 2014 16:59:22 GMT 8
Good point okla. I expect EXO is blowing the dust off that U turn logo as we speak.
P.S. I have some updates and other things to post for you in the near future.
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