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Post by oozlefinch on Feb 6, 2014 11:59:16 GMT 8
So, are saying that the building itself was constructed by the Japanese, or was just modified?
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Post by Registrar on Feb 6, 2014 18:57:13 GMT 8
Battery Boy most closely expressed the view. "#207 was reinforced by the Japanese and it stored ammo for the 120mm DP guns."
The judges decisions are final except where prohibited by good taste.
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Post by fots2 on Feb 6, 2014 19:40:47 GMT 8
Quote from Registrar; “Battery Boy most closely expressed the view. "#207 was reinforced by the Japanese and it stored ammo for the 120mm DP guns."
The judges decisions are final except where prohibited by good taste”. Hi Registrar, It may be “the view” but it is not backed up with any evidence. I expect Daniel Howell did very thorough homework but not all subjects can be researched beyond any doubt. The Japanese did not seem much interested in documenting what they did on the island or it never survived the war. I am just curious as to the source of the story so I can assign a personal accuracy rating to it. To date, that information has not surfaced. The little I know about Howell came from you. He was living on the island in the late 90s during my first few visits to Corregidor but communication by internet was not a big thing then and I never knew about or had the opportunity to meet up with him. He was fortunate to have been exploring at a time when Corregidor still had many items to stumble upon. I would have enjoyed that. Your suggestion on the nearby toilet is a possibility. I wouldn't call it “incontestable” though as it is not unique in Philippine history. We do not know when and why it ended up on top of the fort. Speculation is not fact and in reality, the judges actually have little to work with. FYI, apparently sanitation in general was a problem long ago. Have a look at this link: Sanitation
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Post by The Phantom on Feb 7, 2014 7:21:42 GMT 8
(Would it be untoward to mention that when I found said toilet hidden in the brush and scant trees atop the old Spanish Fort--- that I took the opportunity to avail myself of the historic use of said facilities for a number 1 and it drained still.......)
Also do we think #207 was used to hold munitions for the possible gun positions we found on top of the Spanish fort immediately east of the building?
Has anyone been curious enough to see if the floors in #207 are indeed hollow below the current (tile) floors? Just asking.
So the Casiana is still believed to be laying on the bottom north of Engineer's dock? Is that sufficient to tie the thread back in?
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Post by chadhill on Feb 8, 2014 8:43:07 GMT 8
Captioned by USAAF as "pre-invasion". No date given.
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Post by batteryboy on Feb 8, 2014 20:10:20 GMT 8
Fots,
I have some sort documentation from a Japanese source (captured and translated documents of Japanese operations in the Philippines) but give me time to dig it up. Also has the augmentation of the defenses of the island together with the arrival of additional materiel.
Gents,
The Term Unit Command Station may refer to a structure but that does not mean it relates to a concrete structure. Some of the UCS, used the already existing structures around the area of responsibility (like the old land defense stations) but in some cases they are merely temporary wooden structures with corrugated roofing.
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Post by fots2 on Feb 9, 2014 23:07:22 GMT 8
batteryboy,
That is good news. If your information includes anything about Corregidor then I am more than anxious to read such materiel.
I agree with you about Unit Command Stations. For example, one north of Kindley Field has just a small concrete floor remaining. It seems to have been a wooden structure.
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Post by chadhill on Feb 19, 2014 4:25:34 GMT 8
A feet-wet view of the area. The stack and mast can be seen directly below the three A-20s. On the left of the photo immediately over the beached boat is the barely visible gun shelter, and above that are other ruins. Any SWAGS on whether the smoke trailing the three Havocs (especially the right one) is engine exhaust or are they are firing their nose guns? * * * * * Late entry. Another feet-wet view of the general area; however, the stack and mast cannot be seen (they would be to the right of the beached boat).
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Post by okla on Feb 19, 2014 9:03:08 GMT 8
Hey Chad....No way of really knowing, but I tend to vote for engine exhaust. On the other hand, three A-20s abreast, firing those nose guns would, indeed, throw out a pretty devastating pattern at those on the ground. On second thought, I withdraw my SWAG and opt for a "hung jury". Cheers.
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Post by fortune40 on Feb 19, 2014 16:48:47 GMT 8
I've watch old documentaries of strafing A-20's flashes from the turret guns were clearly seen,but this smoke i also vote for the smoke streak from engine exhaust..the stack and mast were also evident but local's from the nearby village instead of doing the fishing has resorted to scrapping i hope there were still remaining parts of Casiana as the wreck was very near the shore...
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